This poster on a defunct forum claims to have had connections to the case via her dad's friendship with Vince Bugliosi, and posted this re Gibbie:
Peter Sr.
immediately became suspicious of the new man in his daughter's life,
after all he was an immigrant who had only been in the US for a very
short time and seemed to have neither ambition nor money.
What many do not know is that from very early on in their relationship, Peter
Sr. had all of Gibbie's and Voytek's comings and goings monitored.
Peter Sr. had an investigative and security team which could put the CIA
and FBI to shame. In fact, both of these teams were made up of
former members of these institutes and of the Secret Service as well as
other high-ranking retired military men. His legal team was beyond
reproach as well.
Needless to say, Gibbie was on a much shorter
leash than she believed she was. And the heat on she and Voytek only
increased with their move to California. Peter did not approve of Voytek
whom he saw as an opportunistic cad who was riding on Gibbie's
financial coattails.
This being said, Peter Sr. did have Voytek
extensively investigated and traced his whereabouts in the US prior to
meeting Gibbie and throughout Europe. Unfortunately, for those tin-foil
hat wearers, Peter Sr. was only able to find out that Voytek was a
deadbeat dad and husband having left behind in Poland both a wife and
son who were barely getting by while he was flitting around Abigail's
fortune. He also found out that although Voytek was a drug user, and a
sometimes seller of the stuff, he was not a dealer of any notability.
It
has been said that Voytek didn't want to marry Gibbie because of her
money. That's total BS. He would have jumped at the chance at marrying
her had it been possible. But it couldn't, because, #1 he was married
already, and #2 Peter Sr. was in the process of putting in place an
iron-clad pre-nup should the event ever occur. There was no way Voytek
was ever going to inherit a penny from Abigail other than what she
willingly gave him while alive.
Abigail was watched the entire time she was living in LA. ...
Peter
Sr. had people stationed in LA who reported back to him regularly about
Abigail's whereabouts. I do know that he was concerned about the
frequency of her visits with her psychiatrist. He was afraid that this
information would get into public hands and that Abigail would be
perceived as "unstable". Back then, seeing a shrink wasn't nearly as
accepted as it is today. There was a definite stigma associated with it.
As
far as Voytek was concerned, he was definitely low-level when it came
to drug-selling. Peter thought him to be dangerous to Abigail not so
much because of who he would expose her to, but rather because he could
provide her with drugs that she could become dependent on. He was
suspicious of Jay too but not for the same reasons. Abigail had asked
her father to look into investing in Sebring International. Jay was not a
great businessman. His forte was PR and the actual artistry of the cut.
When he died he was in debt, not to drug dealers but to creditors. He
tried to expand too much and too quickly and this is what Peter was wary
of.
Peter Sr. was an incredible businessman and he did question
Abigail's judgment in investing in Jay's company even though the amount
of her investment was negligible. He was looking into Sebring
International's fiscal viability at the time of the murders. I doubt he
would have invested had that night not happened because Jay had bitten
off more than he could chew.
I will say that Jay's investors were
all legit. There was not money laundering within his business nor were
there any sketchy shareholders. This was all confirmed via investigation
by the DA's office.
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Thoughts? It sounds realistic, imo.
15 comments:
According to Anthony DiMaria in Part 2 of his Paulcast interview, Jay was worth some $338,000 at the time of his death, and most certainly not in debt.
I have not seen one credible source ever verifying that Abigail was followed by anyone--either in New York or L.A. In fact, her stepmother (the young woman Mr Folger Sr married) said in a newspaper article that she and the family were basically unaware of Abigail's situation while in L.A. However, no doubt her birth mother was probably quite aware of it. Indeed, we know that Mrs Folger phoned Abigail at Cielo about 10:00pm on Friday August 8th.
Exactly. Abigail wasn’t as close to her father and stepmother as she was to her mother. They didn’t have a clue that she was staying at Cielo.
When looking at her estate when it was filed after death, we can see that her investment in Sebring paid off.
I’m working on something that people have overlooked about the “10pm call”
Somewhere, I read speculation that someone unconnected with the Manson party was watching the house on Cielo on the night of the murders. Does anyone else recall that speculation?
@James D. Would it be in reference to the time zone Mrs Folger was in?
Are you thinking of Doris Tate's claim that Cielo Dr was being watched prior to the murders? Or are you thinking of Reeve Whitson's claim that he was at Cielo that night before the bodies were discovered?
Thanks Starviego,
I think it was the latter. I'll try to check them both out and see if either looks like the one I remember.
Yes. But don’t want to give away too much of my information
No problem. Years ago I noticed something but never expressed it.
More utterly useless speculation from starviego that has never been supported by any facts.
@SixtiesRockRules!
This is not an article written by Starviego. This is a repost of a 13 year old article written by Martine. What isn’t clear is weather she received this information directly or indirectly from Bugliosi. The original discussion is an interesting read. Notice the original title.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150306063106/http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/maybe-something-new-maybe-not.5232/
@Tab....starviego might not be the original author, granted, but he nonetheless thought this useless speculation worthy to dredge up and showcase here as valuable information.
I view any speculation that Abigail Folger was being watched by private investigators hired by her father as in the realm of the plausible. There's the "possible/plausible/probable" triad that I use when evaluating indirect, implied, potential evidence. Much of his stuff has been mired resolutely in the "possible" stage, seldom advancing to "plausible".
This is a big step in re-establishing his personal credibility when compared to a lot of his other speculations.
I believe that he has good intentions. He's just too credulous for my tastes.
"Good intentions" are no longer sufficient credentials, not in my book anyway. Back in the 1970s, and maybe even the 1980s, one could bring nothing to the Manson table but speculation and guesswork and still be thought of as a "credible journalist". Not anymore. Said it before but it bears repeating: this case has been littered with the "work product" of amateur sleuths for too many years. What is very much needed now are cold, hard facts, NOT more hypotheses from attention-whores and egomaniacs.
Shoegazer - so you’re the self appointed judge and jury on the “personal credibility” of posters on here are you?!! I’m sure Starviego is incredibly relieved that you’ve deigned him/her worthy of your approval with such a ringing endorsement - you clearly being the expert arbiter on such things of course. Omg!
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