An interview with Jamie Morgan Kane, a man who spent 34 years in the California Prison System for a murder he claims to have not committed.
Jamie speaks on his time in some of the most violent prisons in the USA, his personal interactions with dangerous serial killers Charles Manson and Ed Kemper, and relays his eventual journey to freedom.
He makes some very interesting comments about Tex.
It's a really interesting couple of videos there. In fact, what he goes on to say about Charlie is mothballs, really. What he said about Tex re: Charlie is so way off-beam that I'm not in the slightest bit surprised he spent 34 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. He basically seems to have a history of being taken in.
ReplyDeleteVery interesting video. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteGrim - Actually I get what he was saying. Manson was the showman - Tex was the axeman. A tale of two Charlies...
ReplyDeleteDiarrhea mouth Manson and Toilet brain Watson
ReplyDeleteYes. Interesting vids. Thanks.
ReplyDeletegrimtraveller said...
...In fact, what he goes on to say about Charlie is mothballs, really. What he said about Tex re: Charlie is so way off-beam that I'm not in the slightest bit surprised he spent 34 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit. He basically seems to have a history of being taken in.
Well, he obviously wasn't taken in by Manson though, was he? :-). In many ways this says a lot about our own particular confirmation biases (we've all got 'em). His description of Charley coming across as a mad blag artist (but with friends ready to run in and grab the stash while he distracts everyone) and Tex as an intelligent, cold-blooded killer-type who knows how to play the game sounded about right to me. Like I say.... a different confirmation bias to yours.
brownrice said:
ReplyDeleteWell, he obviously wasn't taken in by Manson though, was he? :-). In many ways this says a lot about our own particular confirmation biases (we've all got 'em). His description of Charley coming across as a mad blag artist (but with friends ready to run in and grab the stash while he distracts everyone) and Tex as an intelligent, cold-blooded killer-type who knows how to play the game sounded about right to me
"I've always believed Tex Watson was really, he was the force behind the Family, Charlie was the figurehead, he made the great little cartoon character figurehead....and the thing was, you've got to remember he was the one that told the girls 'Charlie says we've got to do this.' Well, I'm sorry, you got Charlie Manson, you got Charles Tex Watson...Charlie. He didn't say which Charlie told 'em."
I don't dispute that Tex was intelligent {he said that of serial killers as a whole and Tex was hardly a serial killer} and I could hardly dispute that he was calculating, cold-blooded and game-playing, given that I've spent years and years arguing that in relation to his actions on the nights of the murders and my belief that he was involved murderously with Shorty Shea. That's why I dismiss his supposed mental illness in the lead-up to his trial. Anyone that's followed the story can see that he has tried to play the game, for example, having children while in jail as a prelude to a good image designed to net him parole etc.
That's not what I was commenting on when I said he was way off-beam about Tex or mothballs in relation to Charlie. It was his statement of Tex being the force behind the Family with Charlie playing the lesser role, comparatively. It's got nothing to do with confirmation bias, it simply goes against virtually every statement that has come from any Family member {or ex-member} or person that knew them over the last 56 years. Even Charlie himself strained at the leash on that one ~ where it would have suited his purposes to go along with it.
Re: confirmation bias. This is an interesting one. There is very little that ever comes from anyone trying to paint the picture that Manson didn't lead the Family. It's a fascinating study, looking into the Squeakys, Sandys, Cappys and Brendas, on that score, and that's before even getting to all of those that dropped the eventual pretence and came to their senses {eg, Clem, Gypsy, the female defendants etc}. Even Charlie, when he tried so hard to demonstrate he wasn't the leader, only succeeds in showing himself to be exactly that and more. I don't need Vince Bugliosi to bring that out. Manson himself and all that were associated with him {and I would include Robert Hendrickson in that} have done a great job of that for more than half a century. It's easily demonstrable without a word from Vince or Stephen Kay. So it's not even a matter of bias. I don't deny or pretend to do so, that there were well-defined roles within the Family as it existed back in its heyday. So the notion of Watson as the force behind it all, the deceiver that tricked "the girls" into doing his murderous bidding by playing Charlie-style word games is ridiculous. And if you've seen the other video {the part 1} and listened to how Jamie ended up doing a 34-year stretch for a crime he didn't commit, you'll perhaps see precisely why I say he has a history of being taken in.
" a happy dinosaur. "
ReplyDeleteThere are worse things to be.
Judging by other interviews this guy has done about prison in general. You can tell he likes to sell wolf tickets. This interview a few months back seems legit
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/KKdiF49n8l0?si=cRr6XtMxyzy2g-ed
Seems like an honest chap.
ReplyDeleteThis guy has had some serious issues with his credibility in quite a few different discussions and forums.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling that he is dealing out a bit of embellishment and some rather tall tales in his various uploads dealing with the saga and the evildoers involved with the saga.
Personally, there's something about him that doesn't ring true to me...
Ok, I will keep that in mind! At least I listened to the whole thing--embellishments and all 🙂
ReplyDeleteTone Loc - What is a wolf ticket? This is a genuine question. I've never heard it before. I don't want to offend anyone, as I did with the 'Greek System', which I'm still not clear about, but answers on a postcard type thingy would be welcome.
ReplyDeleteFraternities and sororities use 3 greek letters as their names
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ReplyDeleteWhat is a wolf ticket?
An empty threat.
Thanks for sharing these videos but too much of what this guy says seems overly-scripted and ill-informed. Sounds like he got his information from Manson who spent plenty of time trying to distance himself from the leadership role he obviously played. I agree with Grim that there are simply too many former family members saying Manson was the leader and they have no self-interest in doing so. With very little case study, it's easy to know that Manson ran the show when so much of his behavior in the courtroom was copied by his co-defendants and the sidewalk protesters. These events were usually weeks and even months apart, giving Manson plenty of time to tell them to cease-and-desist because it was only making the prosecution's case.
ReplyDeleteDan S & Grim Thank you both. I must be getting dafter as my teeth grow. I've heard/read in passing the terms sorority and fraternity but I thought (not at great length) that they were French terms. Wolf ticket - a brand new one for the glossary.
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