Hello everyone! Hope y'all are all well. It's been a helluva long time since I've posted on the blog and I have to say, I'm very excited to bring you.... absolute nothing, except a few extra photos from the Spahn Ranch raid of 1969 that I stumbled upon by pure accident. I recognize a few of the scoundrels. Do you? Could one (or more) of these photos contain the Manson Family's sweetheart, Leslie Van Houten? Is Sadie in there wearing a bandana on her head? How about Pat? Imagine what these girls had just done a mere week before? It looked like business as usual for them with those shiteous haircuts, neglected children and Charlie being tossed around like a rag doll by the fuzz. Au Revior!
61 comments:
The color pic is a nice one
Interesting pictures Anne. How did you happen to come across them ?
Should have gone to Wallgreens with one of those stolen credit cards and purchased a hair brush.
Photographic evidence that Scrambleheadd's torn crotchless pants defense was legit.
The raid was originally scheduled for Aug 17:
Manson's Hinman/Shea trial, Oct '71
LADA files Box54-4 pg603 Testimony of LASO Dep. Preston Guillory
"The raid was supposed to take place on Sunday morning, but it was moved up, because we were told that members of the ranch--or somebody--had knowledge of the raid, and that they may have made efforts to pull out or to fortify further."
Didn't Manson claim to one of the girls that he knew the Spahn Raid was going to happen?
D. what I have learned blogging for ten years. People come in and out, as a famous movie once posited, like busboys in a restaurant. Newbies have never seen these photos and we have never published them. To be a complete source, we've finally put these up. Have some gummies you will feel better, its not all about you.
After Susan sang and danced around the ladies jail cells, the not-really-family kids
at Spahn didn't know how lucky they were. You're a fine looker Sadie.
Lucky for you, all of you former raggedy, not really hippies, hanging out, doing chores, eating whatever and singing in the evening, some acid 'enjoying' and let's remember this for you, too, about some occasional beatings and Charlie punching Susan, at least once, while she was pregnant, and you can look back and say, why, whatever you say, weird Fayez.
The investigation was going on and Tex, Pat and Charlie were gonna be fingered soon, anyhoo, after the October 10 and 12 raids at Barfer Ranch. More than several of the kids, 15, 21 year olds who cares, were told of the murders of August by the killers themselves.
Yeah, lucky that you were arrested, broken up and then being scattered:
after all, with the unhealthy conditions at Ranch Spin, eating whatever, to inevitably a disease or two, sooner or later, not to mention the mounting dangers of being beaten by Charlie and some of the visitors to the Raunch, like an ex-con Charlie knew to some of the straight satans. Heh, what kind of 'men' would call themselves slaves of something that would burn their ass, like this satan shithead.
Two Hells Angels would have kicked all of 'em from Chatsworth to Venice Beach, with one hand tied behind their backs.
And, with all of those guns and knives, sooner or later, someone was bound to lose their temper and let go. Bang, stab, which one of 'em would've died? Or more.
Then, we have that old favorite, in society, the gift/gifts that keep on giving-sex diseases/ailments! How about that! Be nice, let's say a 'dis-comfort.'
That Charlie was using numerous of the girls there, to show off, or to get something or other from the Stink Satans and ex-cons, by, basically, pimping them. Go on, go down the trail there, with this guy...The bikers and the cons were disgusting fellas and they were the types that gave females diseases, the way these scum guys lived.
You had, as we have seen and occasionally read about, people like Diane, Catherine Share and numerous other of the girls that ended up living a relatively nice, prosperous lifestyle.
That, is basically what I mean, by 'you were lucky it ended when it did, by the end of '69.' Later, with Charlie and the freaks with him, the guys that killed Shea and some others, then, like Pat and a couple other females that said that it was fine with them that the murders happened. I don't just judge, I'm not perfect. In 1969, I had an infection. From you know, love making, as in sex. the Doc gave me medicinal help, got over it pert quick, thankfully.
Fayez Abedaziz said...
weird Fayez
I'm saying nothing !
I'm not perfect
I'll be sure to remember that.
In 1969, I had an infection. From you know, love making, as in sex. the Doc gave me medicinal help, got over it pert quick
TMI padre, TMI.
D. said...
Haha. These pictures have been around for ages now
They've been around since August of 1969.......
But though I've seen a number of raid shots, I'd never seen these. Some of them are pretty interesting.
starviego said...
Preston Guillory
His testimony there is a little suspect if you ask me. It has never come up that the Family were planning an evacuation on the 17th, which may have been the case if someone there was expecting a raid on that day.
Didn't Manson claim to one of the girls that he knew the Spahn Raid was going to happen?
Police were no strangers to Spahn Ranch. They'd been up there for a variety of reasons over the months. So saying that he knew there was going to be a raid is a bit like a mid-60s pop star saying "I'm going to be raided." The lives they led were led in expectation of police hassle of some description.
Now, if he was saying he knew exactly when it would be, that's another matter. But then you have to ask yourself why he didn't do what he always did best and got out of where the trouble was. I think both he and Preston are somewhat suspect in the matter of the raid.
amazing pictures
Could someone help me identify a few people? The only ones I'm sure about are Sandra and Charlie and not always Sandra.
1st photo center, holding light haired child - Nancy?
2nd photo center, holding dark haired child - Sadie?
Who's wearing the scarf.
orwhut said...
1st photo center, holding light haired child - Nancy?
That's the first name that I thought of?
2nd photo center, holding dark haired child - Sadie?
Who's wearing the scarf.
Ruthann? In other oics she was often holding that same baby.
Thanks, Matt and you're right Ruth Ann was often seen holding that same baby. The
arrestees didn't seem to want to look at the camera.
2d photo. Looks too tall. Profile of same girl looks like Snake, but also too tall. Maybe Leslie.
Ajerseydevil said...
The color pic is a nice one.
Hey Devil,
I see two color pics. You must mean the one with Lily and the two girls.
July 13, 2021 at 2:41 PM
Any idea who the two girls in the fourth picture [from the left] are? They both look familiar but I can't put a name to them.
Are those two dune buggies in the two bottom photos the same ones that were 'stolen?'
A references from Squeaky's book, Reflexion, pg455:
(Re the Spahn Ranch Raid of Aug 16, 1969) Gypsy: "A welding machine was taken, some of Danny's guns, and two dune buggies that we brought from a retired police officer who lived and worked out of an auto shop in the valley. It was for those we were all charged with Grand Theft Auto."
Squeaky: "When queried about the expensive and time-consuming raid, the seizure of people and property, officials stated that charges had to be tossed out because one of their own had typed an incorrect date on the search warrant. We believed it had more to do with the ex-cop who sold us a dune buggy he had never legally owned. It was not returned."
Did the 'ex-cop' deliberately then plant stolen goods at the ranch in some kind of entrapment operation ?
If you look at the 8-16-69 Spahn Ranch booking sheet page 4, you will see 26 were detained as suspects and there were 5 detentions (children). 4 of the 5 children had blond hair: Freidman, Tanya, Michael, and Zezo. The one dark haired child, having black hair, was DeCarlo’s son.
Of the 26 detained 15 were female. One of the 11 males was still a juvenile at age 17 (Townsend).
You can see all 11 males if you have the right 3 photos but a few are missing from this post.
Look at photo number 10 (the one after the Spahn Areal photo.
Eight of the guys are shown in this picture. Townsend is at the right looking away. Moorehouse and Cooper are to his left. Perched on the rock is Schram.
To her right is Plumlee and to her left is Bailey. She is screening Grogan. Above Plumlee is Gillies head and above her is Lutesinger. Schram screens Fromme and Decarlo is behind her. To the left of Schram’s shoulder is Hoyt. To the left of Bailey is Krenwinkel and to her left is (maybe) Good. In
front of Krenwinkel is Share. Near the tire in the white shirt is Craven and next to him is a girl in a kerchief. Next to the girl is Flynn, then Hanum. Behind Hanum is Rinehard. I could be wrong on Good but is looks like a white nightgown. The girl in the kerchief looks small and might be Cottage or the mysterious seventh juvenile.
There are a couple of photos missing that show others and one shows that both Lutesinger and Grogan were wearing sandals.
Note that Ruth and Sherry are wearing nice dresses.
If you look at photo number 6, the paddy wagon, Ruth and Sherry are in the wagon on the right side. I believe that is Krenwinkle talking to the officer.
There is another paddy wagon picture (missing) that shows Ruth, Townsend, and Sherry standing by its side. If you read the raid reports, the 3 where sleeping in the same room.
Photo number 7 shows Sandy in a white nightgown. Schram is to her right (showing her legs) and Lyn is to her left with the flower patterned top.
There is a newspaper clipping (missing) that shows Lyn carrying a baby, Sherry carrying DeCarlo’s son, and Friedman.
Photo number 8, the color photo, shows Grogan, Craven, Decarlo, Manson.
In photo number one I believe that Moorehouse is on the left, Pitman is front center with Tanya. The girl talking to the officer might be Atkins. I believe photo 1 was shot after photos 2-4.
Photo 2 shows Tanya in the left held by a girl with a kerchief. The girl in the center might be Van Houten, Sheppard, or Pitman. I have doubts to it being Pitman based on two things: height and photo 1. Pitman was 5’3” and this girls appears to be taller. Second, is still dressing in photos 2-4 and is wearing shorts and long sleeves, whereas photo 1 shows slacks and short sleeves.
Note. If it is Ruth in photo 1 wearing shorts, she was later wearing a dress in the other photos.
The photos aren't very clear, the arrestees move around, don't usually face the camera, and seem to be changing clothes. Trying to identify them is like counting, cats in a herd.
A number of photos where taken at around the same time as photo 10 at different angles.
The following link is a photo from the boardwalk. Schram is perched on the rock. Grogan is below her. Ruth is above Grogan. To Grogan’s left is Bailey. Above Bailey is Gillies and above her Cooper.
Dead center is Lutesinger wearing sandles. Near the post is Krenwinkle. Above her is Hoyt and Lyn is behind Hoyt. All the way to the left is the head of Swartz. Above him is Flynn in the hat. Above Flynn in the back is DeCarlo.
https://roxstar777.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/5c46e-manson-family-spahn-ranch-raid-.jpg
The following link is a photo from behind the trailer. You can see some groups (cliques) and loners. Perched on the rock is new girl Schram - by herself. In front of Schram is Grogan with Plumlee to his right and Bailey to his left. All 3 were not ranch hands at the time. Krenwinkle is to Bailey’s left and to her left is Swartz. Near the trailer and from right to left are the 4 ranchhands: Swartz, Craven, Flynn, Hanum. To the left of Hanum is Rinehard (alone). Townsend is alone as is Manson.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/7d/57/1e7d57a6f6b366776dd7e40d3a1eb4ee.jpg
Thank you for this post Ann. I have not seen many of these pics. The color one fascinates me only because Charlie looks so ordinary. Hard to believe in a few months he would be on the cover of Time mag as one of the most feared people alive.
D...lay off...this is not the blog to ridicule posters. I know for a fact the posters work hard to deliver good stuff. You dont like it? Get another hobby.
Fayez, you know I have been a fan of your cryptic writing style the last few years. I know you have a thing for Sadie...but all your infection talk makes me want to quarantine again. :)
Those pictures were good to see, I haven't seen some of them before who knows maybe there are more somewhere
and now look at the times before then to today's society. It's either irritating or another bore.
It was a day of fun and songs and one of the girls said, "it seems so long ago, but now I'm only twenty five"
I wonder where she is now.
She said she had run and screamed when she saw The Beatles in '64 or '65
I looked at her and thought I see, at this concert, near downtown Denver the things we remember.
This was in 1976, as Paul McCartney and his Wings group played across the land
and some people don't understand.
This was around 7 or 8 years after the album came out that had Charlie saying things about meanings and things and the kids listened.
S
Oh, yeah, why are saying what you said you mean they can't get it cause they were
simply not 'there' so they have narrow egg head minds they'll never know what it was
like and everything for them is what the columnist or a book or some pictures tell 'em and the junky downhill 80's to now is all they know so what can you do.
who cares are they nervous have a seat our friends The Beatles and The Kinks and The Lovin' Spoonful will fill you in
all you gotta do is listen
Hello Monica, thanks, and yeah I do have a thing for long haired Sadie.
After all she was that girl in the middle of hip and high and crazy funny welcome to the late 60's and for other reasons.
The Haight then in Canyons and Chatsworth what's up with the Simi Valley hills
that's the way it goes sometimes
are you with me
you know some people will never see
you see what I mean
I didn't make society
society made me
that's what Susan and Leslie are and those that don't like what I say can take a leap onto the waves at Santa Monica
You see Monica?
That's the difference, most were simply not there, whether they like it or not I was
so they resent that and are dense minded.
That was good and quite funny, Monica, what you said about infections and so, I'll tell ya: a couple weeks after a trip to California, is when that happened in July 1969 and who cares, see what I mean Monica and too
some do and you may be smarter then me
thanks for the laugh and wit
oh I can't help it I gotta say it: can you dig it?
starviego asked:
"Didn't Manson claim to one of the girls that he knew the Spahn Raid was going to happen?"
"Inside the Manson Gang" fast forward to 1:20:40. Squeaky talks about Charlie knowing the raid will happen the next morning. This little snippet has always intrigued me. She seems giddy when she starts to explain how the raid began and then her demeanor *completely* changes and she says, "I've told too many people. Cut it off." I've always wondered what she meant by that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ice8fkEgzdE
(Sorry, don't know how to include a link)
AustinAnn, thanks for the pics. There were several I hadn't seen before.
Bobby said...
You are an idiot sir. I love any thing Ann posts. Get life of your own.
Agreed, Bobby. We delete him on sight, but sometimes we are a little slow...
Tab, are you this roxstar character?
ohhhh yeah, are you?
TabOrFresca typed:
In photo number one I believe that Moorehouse is on the left, Pitman is front center with Tanya. The girl talking to the officer might be Atkins. I believe photo 1 was shot after photos 2-4.
In photos 1-4, the women are Leslie Van Houten(long sleeve shirt and shorts), Little Patty Baldwin(shortest one, dark clothes and bandana), and Julia Roberts/Laura Sheppard (taller one in T-shirt). Atkins is also in the first photo talking to female cop. Moorehouse and Pitman are not in these photos.
thanks for the clarification.
cielodrivecom asked:
“Tab, are you this roxstar character?”
No sir I am not. I am retired and do not own a PC or tablet and do not have Internet access at home. I do have an iPhone SE with data minutes and have spent many minutes reading trial transcripts on your site using the phone. This past winter I viewed every page of your case files BOX##.pdf files. Some of the missing pictures I mentioned above are in those pdf files. There is a lot of hard to access info there. Thanks for your site.
If you viewed a number of unusual accesses from my phone today, I was trying to get the “#page=“ option to work when opening a pdf.
You have a color photo in BOX’s that is like the one in this article but it has the names handwritten and it shows that all 4 guys have orange mud on their pants. It possibly negates Pete’s crotch defense.
The Inyo booking photos with booking number cards for Grogan and maybe Rockie Todd are quite nice.
I was disappointed that the Spahn Raid booking photos for Cooper and Cottage did not have the booking number cards but since they were both arrested on 4-19-69 it helps to know which one was the Spahn Raid.
I did mail ROXSTAR once pointing out and anomaly and received a reply within a day.
I mailed both DebS and Matt about 3/30/21 asking if they had any input concerning photos like those shown above and more but never got a reply. But that’s okay.
TabOrFresca@gmail.com
Good of roxstar to take time away from their busy schedule of ripping off other people’s work to answer you
All I have to say to that is...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes...fat shaming or, any lousy/bullying/hateful or, similar spewage is most unnecessary and, completely unwelcome!
Toss that D (Dennis?) guy
Thanks Matt
It is great seeing these photos. Thank you for uploading/posting.
Is anyone aware of a cachet of photos like these and/or a detailed account of everyone arrested at the Barker Raid? I was always under the impression that there was no list and, not many photos...assuming that there were not many staying there at the time of that final raid. However, I recently heard someone in some YouTube program (can't recall who/which) who reported a similar number of people gathered up as were rounded up at Spahn.
It would be of great interest (if it exists) and, would shed some light on people who came into the Family's orbit AFTER the murders.
Cheers
If Stephanie Schram was pregnant when those photos were taken, I can't tell by looking at them. Does anyone know when she deivered?
I loved these and had never seen them! Especially liked the action shots with Charlie. Thanks Tab or Fresca for IDs.
Doug said...
Yes...fat shaming or, any lousy/bullying/hateful or, similar spewage is most unnecessary and, completely unwelcome!
Toss that D (Dennis?) guy
Thanks Matt
Yes, he's been trolling for years and you are correct on his name. He thinks Trump won the election too.
TabOrFresca said...
I mailed both DebS and Matt about 3/30/21 asking if they had any input concerning photos like those shown above and more but never got a reply. But that’s okay.
Tab, I apologize for not responding. It slipped through the cracks and for that I am sorry.
I had replied back to D, I mean Dick yesterday, but, after thinking about it for a few minutes, I just didn't feel like arguing with this fartface and deleted it, but personally attacking someone for posting photos on a blog is plain nuts! Isn't that what the blog is about? Fat? Not even close!
Doug asked:
Is anyone aware of a cachet of photos like these and/or a detailed account of everyone arrested at the Barker Raid? I was always under the impression that there was no list and ….?
“The Family” by Ed Sanders, “Desert Shadows” by Bob Murphy, and “More to the Story” by H Allegra Lansing contain the list of the 27 detained from the Barker Raid’s held on 10/10/69 and 10/12/69. Sanders and Murphy have decent write-ups.
There were 26 detained at Spahn (15 girls) and 27 at Barker (17 girls). 12 girls and 4 guys were present at each.
The 3 girls present at Spahn but not Barker: Cooper, Hoyt, and Sheppard. The 12 girls present at both: Schram, Lutesinger, Share, Krenwinkle, Pitman, Fromme, Atkins, Cottage, Moorehouse, Good, Van Houten, and Gillies. The 5 girls present at Barker but not Spahn: Von Ahn, Smith, Sinclair, Bartell, and Lake.
The 7 guys present at Spahn but not at Barker: Rinehard, DeCarlo, Townsend, Craven, Hannum, Swartz, and Flynn. The 4 guys present at both: Manson, Grogan, Plumlee, and Bailey. The 6 guys present at Barker but not Spahn: Davis, Vance, Haught, Brown, Lane, Todd/Morglea.
Schram and Lutesinger ran away from Barker and turned themselves in to the officers who were about to raid on the 10th. Schram wasn’t arrested but Lutesinger was held as a runaway juvenile and turned over to LA authorities.
13 were detained from the raid . The 3 guys were: Grogan, Lane, and Todd/Morglea. The 10 girls were: Share, Krenwinkle, Pitman, Fromme, Atkins, Cottage, Moorehouse, Von Ahn, Good, and Van Houten.
10 were detained on the 10/12 raid. The 3 girls were: Lake, Smith, and Sinclair. The 7 guys were: Manson, Davis, Vance, Plumlee, Bailey, Haught, and Brown.
While returning from the raid 2 more girls were detained bringing a car load of food: Gillies and Bartell.
There are two well known photos from the 10/10 Raid.
The first shows 6 girls in the back of a Ford pickup (or near), clockwise: Share, Krenwinkle, Pitman, Fromme, Atkins, and Cottage. This photo is in “Helter Skelter” (in the unnumbered picture section “From Spahn’s Movie Ranch To Death Valley “), is on page 232 of BOX-51.pdf at cielodrive.com, and a number of sites.
The second photo shows 4 girls and a guy. The girls are right to left: Fromme, Atkins, Moorehouse, unknown. The unknown’s face is covered. The guy is either Lane, Grogan, or Todd/Morglea (doubt based on size). This photo appears on page 82 of “Desert Shadows”.
These links at “lsb3.com” contains similar photos but Gypsy is truncated from the first:
First photo:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-plmB-fJ8U8E/UMV1Gvx5jEI/AAAAAAAAAOs/iNv7n717oYI/s1600/Charles+Manson+Family21.jpg
Second photo:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cygaCtwWg9M/UMV0TW-kzII/AAAAAAAAAMw/oVKcT1-Eapg/s1600/Charles+Manson+Family4.jpg
If the above links don’t work then try:
http://www.lsb3.com/2012/12/blog-post_3802.html?m=1
The second photo at the article link is the photo in “Desert Shadows”. The 18th photo in the article link is the photo in “Helter Skelter” but with Gypsy truncated”.
On page 284 Of BOX-47.pdf at cielodrive.com is the Inyo County booking photo for Grogan. The date was 10/13/69 and his number is “AR 3292”. The card is held in his neck by twine. On page 287 is a less clear dark photo of “AR 3291” which might be Todd/Morglea, but I may be wrong.
There are a lot of Barker raid photos, but few online
Blogger Gorodish said...
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In photos 1-4, the women are Leslie Van Houten(long sleeve shirt and shorts)
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Gorodish,
Do you believe the girl In the second photo, holding the dark haired child in front of the car door, to be Leslie Van Houten? She seems to be wearing a long sleeve shirt and shorts.
Still not sure about the girl in pic 4 - the one in the middle of the photo, behind the girl holding the baby and wearing short sleeves. Any one know?
Squinting and looking, movin' from one photograph to the other there they are it comes almost clearer and doesn't it just make you gaze around and only wonderin'
because you see, why is that happenin' what's that girl saying or is she only
asking ma'am why are you all here this morning
we have a warrant well don't that beat all well don't it
funny summer at the ranch and funny how we have the same old two stories here we go again the thing called get high and the thing called reality comes around to
sting again
when you're aware of the first good old story it's simple how do you explain how Sadie
always looks fine like an Audrey Hepburn or Marilyn Monroe in any photo you know it's true and we all keep seeing the Spahn spinning funnin' then the traveling show something like a wild west show only with no hero is that true what do you think of Barker ranch what's the deal with the dune buggies you all planning on a Rat Patrol
don't think so it's for Charlie and a couple guys to ride 'em they wanna have fun
did their mind do some melting under the sun draw attention by doing arson and so on
Leslie and Sadie just wanted to belong and have some fun here's the second one the part where I said same old story Sadie railroaded again when are we ever gonna learn but she then was that girl that went back to the morality spirituality that she had when she was a little girl the ones the Lord had given her
Dawn yawn can we wake up here I mean come on raids at 5 in the morning or earlier
how are you gonna answer questions not to mention look good before coffee cigs and splashing some cologne on? (Eau Savage original citrus or Old Spice Lime)
trying to understand how awake and nice they looked in these pics-the girls not the bums and that goes to show you that the dears were caring with children and don't try to tell me that they tripped on acid every other day or hash seems every other article or book says they tripped or smoked more than they really did look at the
pics again the girls seem pretty bright Chatsworth and Simi really are alright
orwhut typed:
Do you believe the girl In the second photo, holding the dark haired child in front of the car door, to be Leslie Van Houten?
Yes, it is Leslie, in serious need of some soap and a shower.
jempud typed:
Still not sure about the girl in pic 4 - the one in the middle of the photo, behind the girl holding the baby and wearing short sleeves. Any one know?
Her name, supposedly, was Laura Sheppard. She gave her name as Julia Roberts ("Pretty Woman" was still 21 years away), and was booked under that name. She was a teenage runaway from the midwest, and seems to have vanished into history after the raid.
If you read various reports of the arrests, they show that Leslie Van Houten, Patricia Baldwin, Cathy Gillies, Susan Atkins, Laura Sheppard, and Nancy Pitman were rousted from two trailers along with toddlers Dennis DeCarlo, Tanya Kasabian, ZezoZadfrack Glutz, and Michael Manson. I believe photos 1-4 are the aftermath of this scenario. I have a few other obscure photos from this set that also have Gillies in them. Pitman seems to have dodged the cameras during the raid.
Gorodish said...
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Yes, it is Leslie, in serious need of some soap and a shower
Thank you, Gorodish. You're probably right. In response to your answer, I looked at the first four pictures again and realized she's in all of them. In one, she looks to me like Sadie and in another she looks more like Charlie.
Thanks, Gorodish.
The photo of Pat getting into the paddy wagon is the only photo I have seen of her between the time of the murders and the trials.
Yikes!
Thank you so much!
That's what I figured. I've seen the ones thay TabOrFresca was kjnd enough to provide links to but, by the looks of it (via ToF's written summarization of the identities and such of those rounded up) there seems to be next to no newbies.
I was wondering if people like JoAnn/Onyja, her friend Jenny, etc...those short-term residents that floated in/out of the MF orbit AFTER thr murders.
Interesting to see bailiff Aileen (sp?)in some pictures. She was like the Manson Family specialist
Cool Photos !! Seems to Me Manson is the Only One seems to be treated ,Roughly, did Manson put on resistance during arrest ? as The Only One ..As a True ,Leader, ? ? lol
The first color photo of the four men sitting. You see DeCarlo, Manson, and Grogan. The other guy, he's in dressier clothes, is Bryn Lukachevsky. I know this because I have a copy of the same photo and mine lists in handwriting who each man is. I brought this up on another blog and got a beat down saying he wasn't, but he is.
I believe she wasn't far along because in hs he talks about Bobby being annoyed that the girls were taking up his visiting time when he really wanted to see Kitty who was pregnant with his child. I believe she delivered after Kasabian.
beauders, the photo you're talking about is of Steve Grogan, Larry Craven, Danny DeCarlo and Manson
Most hexellent new photos.
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