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Bobby had a parole hearing yesterday, July 1, and was denied for 18 months. It's kind of unusual because once a prisoner has been granted parole, like Bobby was at his last hearing, they continue to grant parole. He must have done something in prison, a violation or something, to not be granted again.
Manson family killer Bobby Beausoleil was denied parole for the 20th time during a Skype hearing on Wednesday, DailyMail.com can disclose.
The 72-year-old was previously cleared to leave jail on January 3, 2019 but that decision was overturned by California Governor Gavin Newsom three months later.
His latest bid for release was denied outright and Beausoleil will have to spend another 18 months in his cell at the California Medical Facility in Vacaville before he becomes eligible to reapply.
Read the rest of the article.
61 comments:
It will be very interesting to find out what happened to bring on this turn of events
Hopefully that Sassy Bottoms BS has been brought to light successfully. May that asshole diddler never walk the streets again.
Diddler? Whoops, I’m wrong I meant murderer.
Now, that is interesting. In his last parole hearing, going through the transcript, the views of the parole board were such that the actual decision to grant parole comes as something of a surprise. They more or less say "we don't believe your tale" and it half seriously comes across as them just wanting to vacate space in the prison. Last time around, before Cielo had the transcript up, a number of us thought that Bobby must have some terminal illness but that wasn't the case so I think I'll refrain from speculation and just wait until the transcript comes because as far as I'm aware, this is the first time one of the Manson connection has been told "yeah" followed by "no."
I wonder if any of the board read Tom O'Neill's book and deep down felt uncomfortable by the questions that it posed and couldn't answer ?
It figures, don't it, y'all, justice at it's...one of it's stupidest.
Susan Sadie killed no one, yet made to be in prison till she died.
They just couldn't let her go to be with her family when the good doctors said that she has months to live.
Like ghouls and some sort of a vulture mentality they let her lay there and die.
What does that tell you when they said that she is not fit for parole and, why, durn it all, she's a danger to society. The same is given for every damn denial: like denying Leslie a legally, morally deserved freedom.
They know all the facts of the cases at Cielo and Waverly?
Really?
Then, they know that, with or without the ladies, Susan and Leslie, being at those
scenes, the same crimes and results would have been what they were.
Bobby can't be given parole, but more than a thousand rapists/murderers can?
Which is what I have seen, in California, since 2008.
What's up? And, no it's not because the politicians are afraid of voter fallout if they allow Leslie or Bobby out. That's not the voters and what they vote for. Not even a thought of the old August '69 cases. They vote liberal or conservative and with their parties political machines.
Yet, caveman Clem Grogan gets out, though he committed cold blooded murder and, like a ghoul. goes back to move Shea's body like some trash (which is also desecration of a human body) and a judge let him leave prison. The whole release was because of this particular judge. Grogan simply got really lucky, another judge wouldn't, odds are a hundred to one against him with another judge, at least.
The time for Leslie and Bobby to get out is now. Where are the so-called 'liberal activists' when it comes to 'prison justice and reform'? Yeah, ah, sure.
Actually, it's always arbitrary and politically correct bullshit and you know that.
So, Susan and Leslie were two more suckers that the unfair laws and 'the family' let go to the 'gallows' so to speak. Good job Suze, good going pretty Leslie.
Bobby, brother man, you were junky and an idiot in 67-69 but you should still go free. The 8th Amendment, like the 1st and the 2nd and the 4th are being destroyed as we watch. What a damn shame.
Bummer, Bob
Grim you ignorant slut
For once I am with you. One source on Cielo indicated a longer than 18 mos delay in a new hearing.
One the one hand he is clearly never getting out alive none of them are. On the other hand the charade has got to be crazy depleting emotionally and financially
Col, Bobby was denied parole 3 years, which is the current minimum. However, because the board classifies Bobby as low risk, they will automatically review his case in a year and determine if they should advance his next hearing date. Bobby can also petition to have his hearing date advanced. He has succeeded at this before. In the event the board advances his hearing date, the hearing would be 18 months from the last hearing. So it's unlikely he will have to wait 3 years for another hearing even though, on paper, he got the 3 year denial.
PS. Happy 4th of July
I got a copy of the recent book Yesterdays Monsters. Basically about how unfair the parole board is in California. Bobby was the only one who agreed to take part in the book.
Dan S typed:
Bummer, Bob
*Chuckle*
grimtraveller typed:
I wonder if any of the board read Tom O'Neill's book and deep down felt uncomfortable by the questions that it posed and couldn't answer?
Parole Board: "So, Mr. Beausoleil, after you were arrested in SLO driving Hinman's car, did you try to call Reeve Whitson after you called Spahn?"
BB: "Who?"(baffled)
PB: "Was Jolly West really the one behind the Hinman/Straight Satans mescaline deal?"
BB: "Who??"(annoyed)
PB: "Given the heinous nature of this crime and your limited insight into your violence and substance abuse, I do not believe you can be safely released at this time.”
BB: "Wha....wait...but......
I must have missed the reason Bobby is in a medical faility. Would someone either point me to it or just tell me?
orwhut said...
I must have missed the reason Bobby is in a medical faility. Would someone either point me to it or just tell me?
Does the place he's in serve only as a medical facility or is it a jail that has within it a large medical facility ? I think that's what threw some of us last time around, him being in a medical facility + getting a "yes" in terms of his parole must = he's ill.
It turned out to be a failed equation !
ColScott said...
Grim you ignorant slut
Only because I let you !
For once I am with you
Only because I allow it !
Fayez Abedaziz said...
Where are the so-called 'liberal activists' when it comes to 'prison justice and reform'? Yeah, ah, sure
They've been on the move for a very long time and it's kind of unfair to denigrate the prison reformers that have been working behind the scenes and not putting themselves at the media forefront for more than a century just because they don't march and shout out loud in front of a camera.
It came out in one of the parole hearings that Bobby has rheumatoid arthritis, that is why he is in the medical facility. I believe it was Austin Ann who mentioned it in one of her posts or comments.
Grim this is from the California prison website. CMF is primarily and medical facility but when men are first convicted in court they often are sent to Vacaville for evaluation to see which prison in the system is appropriate for them. So there is a general population at CMF, too.
"CMF was established in 1955 by the California Legislature to provide a centrally located facility to meet the medical, psychiatric, and dental health care needs of male felons incarcerated within the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR). CMF is a medium security medical facility located in the city of Vacaville in Solano County. Vacaville is located 37 miles southwest of Sacramento and 65 miles northeast of San Francisco.
The majority of inmate-patients at CMF reside in an outpatient setting and receive health care in an outpatient clinics. Patients who require additional nursing care may be housed in the Outpatient Housing Unit (OHU). Patients who require 24-hour nursing care are housed in a licensed medical correctional treatment center (CTC). CMF also operates a 400 bed inpatient psychiatric CTC, a 50 bed mental health crisis bed CTC, and the first licensed prison hospice in United States.
Health care services provided at CMF include primary care, chronic care, and specialty care clinics; radiology, occupational and physical therapy, pharmacy services, laboratory, respiratory, inpatient and outpatient mental health treatment, end-of-life/palliative care services, services for the visually and/or hearing impaired, and services for those with other acquired or developmental disabilities.
CMF serves as a resource to the rest of CDCR and contracts with community consultants and hospital facilities to meet the complex needs of its inmate-patient population.
This facility provides both outpatient and inpatient mental health services for patients with a serious mental disorder. The licensed Psychiatric Inpatient Program at this facility is designed to provide more intensive treatment for patients who cannot function adequately or stabilize in an outpatient program."
Now, the things is, that is, what I meant to say, to Doug, about events and people of the past and so, the objects that we see, such as statues, well,
while I know what you mean about past crimes and wrongs,
which race, religion, nationality, or tribe has not been oppressed throughout history?
Then, I think of the Yardbirds singing, 'Shapes Of Things,' in 1966, with probably the best guitarist of all music, Jimmy Page and they said:
-Shapes...before my eyes
just teach me to despise
please don't destroy these lands- ( in this case, the U.S.A.)
Grim,
yeah, there has been good, valuable work done by those that have been working for fairness in the application of laws and prison issues for several decades.
At the same time:
a couple of years ago, I wrote a letter to the Stanford Justice Center, which is a part of the Law School, there.
I said,I paraphrase what I basically said here now-
--since you have been doing studies and have students and faculty working and advising some person, group or other, how about saying/doing something about Leslie Van Houten's case?--
You have done a recent study on Recidivisim and so, that should be an argument to put forward, among others, on behalf of her and other inmates. Since there has been a very low number of older inmates that committed crimes, once released.
The age factor, which has been considered and applied in numerous parole cases.
1-I addressed it to Debbie Dukamel, the Executive Director of The Stanford Criminal Justice Center at Stanford Law School.
2-I sent another letter to the Warden at Leslie's prison, as to how they know, there, at the prison, what a good inmate she has been.
3-I sent one to the Governor, by email, which their site says is the quickest way to get a response, communication wise.
None answered me. How come?
All of the above are supposed to be in service to the citizenry of the state and nation, aren't they?
The letters, by the way, were in large manila envelopes and I was courteous in my wording.
You know they got 'em.
I sent Leslie a colorful note, sorta to cheer her up and said, you don't hafta
reply, I just wanna say hi.
If you know what I'm saying you know what the above explanation and pleas really mean.
Deb,
Thank you for answering my question about Bobby being in a medical facility. I figured it had been answered in the past and I'd missed it.
For many years when parole has been quashed by a governor or denied by a board and the low rate of recidivism for elderly patients has come up, I've thought of Lawrence Singleton. He's the pos who raped an adolescent, hacked off her arms, was convicted, then freed, only to commit murder at 69.
Mary Vincent - a determined and, heroic woman!
Horrendous what that POS put ger through. She's an inspiration for anyone facing insurmountable odds.
She really is a hero
Another POS that come to my mind is Kenneth Parnell. He kidnapped Steven Stayner and kept him for something like 7 years, all the while molesting him. It wasn't until Parnell kidnapped another child, Timmy White, in Ukiah that Steven decided to get the hell away from Parnell because he didn't want Timmy to go through what he had. Steven bravely made his way to Ukiah with Timmy and intended to have Timmy walk into the police department and tell them who he was, however before that happened police spotted Timmy and picked both of the boys up. Steven told the police who he was and both boys were reunited with their families that day.
Parnell served only five years of a seven years sentence. While on parole he tried to buy a four year old boy through his caregiver. The caregiver was aware of Parnell's past and notified police who set up a sting to arrest him. He was given a 25 year sentence under California's three strikes law. He died four years later in the California Medical Facility at Vacaville.
Largely due to Steven's kidnapping and a dysfunctional family Steven's older brother, Cary Stayner, became a serial killer, killing four women in 1999 near Yosemite. He was convicted and given the death penalty. He is currently on death row at San Quentin.
DebS said...
CMF is primarily and medical facility but....
Thanks for that.
Another POS that come to my mind is Kenneth Parnell. He kidnapped Steven Stayner and kept him for something like 7 years
That story sounds like a film I saw back in the 80s. I've seen it since and I wish I hadn't. Not because it was a lame film, but because its events were so harrowing.
You mean, BB won't be free after all? How dare the parole board ignore such talent! Did they not take into account BB's Grammy-worthy rendition of "Simple Man" performed with such enthusiasm before a live audience of bored convicts?! I'm outraged!!
from the yt comments section-
"So, he murdered Gary Hinman, and then he murdered Lynyrd Skynyrd."
-savagery-
Clem played well though and that's why he got out. Hilarious (albeit disrespectful) comment btw
By coincidence I watched Kenneth Anger's 'Lucifer Rising' a few days ago. It's an ambitious work, the 'climax' perhaps of his Magick Lantern Cycle, and channels much of Aleister Crowley's 'Hymn to Lucifer'. I first saw it at University in the early 1970s. The cast includes a young Marianne Faithful, Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page and Mick Jaggers's younger brother, Chris. Worth watching, but not everyone's cup of tea - still it runs at less that 30mins so you won't have to invest too much time although accessing a copy might not be so straightforward. I can probably oblige.
The point of this is that the soundtrack was written by Bobby Beausoleil, and although of its time I think it's very good. Listening to it today, I still think it's good. He wrote it while he was in prison (an interesting concept in itself). It is clear to me that he had musical talent, as did Clem. Some (not all) of the girls, especially I think Gypsy, sang well (as per Family Jams), but it is hard to know who is singing on each track. The one that was not especially talented IMHO was CM himself; he wrote some pleasant tunes but never got his guitar past the strumming stage in anything I ever heard, had a pretty poor voice and wrote very average lyrics. Hey ho, now someone will hate me.
Going back to Bobby, whatever we think of him as a person or about his parole possibilities I think we have to acknowledge some ability as a musician.
Grimtraveller said:
That story sounds like a film I saw back in the 80s
There was a 1989 miniseries called "I know my name is Steven"
Well - Bobby did jam with LOVE (pre-LOVE as The Grassroots). However, he was never a bonafide member and, we're talking a 4-8 week TOTAL timeframe. LOVE were pretty talented musicians. Bobby was also a leading creative member of The Orkustra (with future members of The Charlatans and, It's A Beautiful Day).
It is quite an accomplishment that Bobby was able to record a sountrack in prison. Even more so that he crafted many of the instruments and built most of the electronics/synthesizers himself. A heady accomplishment indeed.
Clem is reportedly an excellent guitarist who has shared stages/jammed with many NorCal musical heavyweights...including members of The Dead. Nice work (for a murderer) if you can get it.
Gypsy released a 7" as Charity Shane which I believe was released on the same label as The Beau Brummels were on early in their career (and produced by Sylvester Stewart aka Sly Syine...as were The Beau Brummels). Her 7" is basically on par with the earliest records by Cher...jangly guitar folk-rock. Pleasant, but average.
I tend to agree with your assessment of CM's talents being outshined by his followers. He was incredibly average at his very best.
Cheers
Charity Shane's 7" is on YouTube - at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqe3k3F91RE. She sings as well as many that made it.
Doug said...
produced by Sylvester Stewart aka Sly Syine
I presume you mean Sly Stone from Sly and the Family Stone.
Matthew said...
There was a 1989 miniseries called "I know my name is Steven"
Yeah, that's the one. It was originally shown over two nights but the last time I saw it it was crunched together as one movie.
Sly Stone
Yes, thanks.
The A-Side here (Autumn Records 1965)
I was correct about the Beau Brummels label..but Gypsy's producer was not Sly. Beau Brummels producer WAS Sly.
https://youtu.be/7Ql-trMxUh4
In another Six Degrees scenario...Gypsy's producer was in a band called The Shacklefords. They released their ow version of "Ain't It, Babe?" approx 1yr after Gypsy in 1966. Co-leader of the Shacklefords???
Lee Hazlewood
https://www.discogs.com/The-Shacklefords-That-Old-Freight-Train-Aint-It-Babe/master/756558
I have the expanded CD of Manson's "LIE", as well as the 2-CD set "Family Jams". Manson wrote all the songs on "Family Jams", but he was in the slammer when the set was recorded in early 1970. Clem is the lead vocalist and guitarist, and I'll admit he is pretty good; as are the girls' singing and harmonies. "Family Jams" is a bit on the amateurish side, but I guarantee that a few hours after hearing it, you'll be humming "Get On Home".
I think the original Family Jams album was issued with a 'booklet' with photos and information about who played/sang on each track, but I have never been able to locate a copy. Anyone here seen it and can share the contents?
Proteus,
I too would like to see that information.
Proteus- the booklet is several pages and has pictures with text embossed over them. The text is from Good, Fromme, and Manson. The only blurb written on the first page about the players (over a smiling picture of Clem with a guitar) says:
All songs written by Charles Manson
Steve Grogan(Clem) - guitar and vocals
Brenda(Gold), County Sue and others - vocals
Catherine Share(Gypsy) - violin on "Die To Be One"
Recorded in 1970
If I have some time later tonight I can scan the booklet for you.
Thank you Gorodish.
Thanks, Gorodish - it would be good to see that.
Gorodish, if you send Matt or myself the scans of the booklet, we will post them.
Sorry, conked out a bit early last night. I'll scan them tonight after work.
I love the Family Jams cd- the booklet has the Vest photos which match what I bought
Too cool ColScott.....and they even give credit to the seamstresses in the CD booklet:
Booklet front cover and tray card embroidery by Kitty Lutesinger
Booklet back cover embroidery by the women
I wonder if Atkins, Bobby, Manson, etc. ever appreciated Kitty's embroidery?
Yeah, she stitched them up good and proper !
Grimtraveller said"
Yeah, she stitched them up good and proper
Or do you mean snitches them up?
I don't really regard Kitty as a snitch. She kind of did the right thing even if some of her motives were suspect. But I think you can blame Charlie for that. It's interesting that he barely had a word to say about her over the years. It's also easy to forget that Kitty was a lunk headed teenager at the time, more in the Snake mould than the LVH/Clem one. She may have been pregnant in the summer of '69 but maturity was not her watchword or chief characteristic.
She gave her stitches up front to earn her snitches
Kitty was on the street corner daily, so I do not think she was fringe. I met Jene once and they look identical
Grim, I am not sure what your definition of snitch is. Kitty hid in the bushes when Barker Ranch was raided then came out and asked for protection from the family. She said that she was trying to leave the family and feared for her life. That was October 69. Also in October 69, Lutesinger told the police about Beausoleil going to Hinman's house with Atkins. She said that Atkins told her about stabbing a guy many times in the legs. Since they knew that Hinman was not stabbed in the legs, they were not sure how truthful Kitty was being. Little did they know at that time that Susan was talking about Frykowski. It was Lutesinger's implication of Atkins that sent her to prison where she bragged about the Tate killings to Howard and Graham that broke the case.
Even though she was largely responsible for the family's capture and indictments in the killings, Bugs didn't call her to the witness stand because he did not trust her. One day she is running from the family and telling the cops everything she knows and the next minute she is shaving her head and carving and X. She was lucky that she was able to keep her head.
Typical behaviour of a confused teen, I guess. Wouldn't have been helped by dope, either. Maybe she was weak-willed or easily influenced and just responded to whoever she found herself with? Remember she was only sixteen at the time of the murders and think of a few sixteen-year-olds you know today, making allowances for the fact that kids today tend to be more savvy than in the past.
Matthew said...
Grim, I am not sure what your definition of snitch is
For me, a snitch is someone who very deliberately tells on their comrades or passes on information, either to save their own skin or for their own gain. In reality, Kitty was no different to Susan or Leslie or Mary. Actually they were far worse because they were actively involved in the matters they told the cops, cellmates or lawyers about. The likes of TJ, Brooks, Babs Hoyt, Stephanie Schram, Ruby Pearl, Paul Watkins, even Linda, I don't regard as snitches although a witness can be a snitch. Also, I guess an important part of the snitching debate centres around the 'when.' A case could be made that Kitty was a snitch because the information she gave was before the TLB thing broke. But in terms of Hinman, Bobby was already on the wire although I think he had a good chance of walking on it even when Danny DeCarlo turned up. It's quite surprising during that the cops didn't go into detail about his 'evasive manoeuvers' when arrested. There was little there in the way the case was presented in the first trial that was going to net Bob the gas chamber.
But no, I don't think of Kitty as a snitch.
Kitty hid in the bushes when Barker Ranch was raided then came out and asked for protection from the family. She said that she was trying to leave the family and feared for her life
Considering she fled with Stephanie Schram with Clem and Hugh Rocky Todd after them with a shotgun, I'd say her fear was well founded ! In a way, that's partly why I don't see her as a snitch. She was scared these dudes were going to kill her. It's not like she was looking for the first police house she could find with all this priceless information to offload.
It was Lutesinger's implication of Atkins that sent her to prison where she bragged about the Tate killings to Howard and Graham that broke the case
True. But think about it. The police had little concrete on Susan. Even when she told the two LASO cops what happened, it wasn't noted down and signed/initialled by her and she said she wasn't going to put it down on tape. Susan Atkins demonstrated a number of qualities in her heyday, one of which was unthinking stupidity. Had the case gone to trial at the time, Kitty would have been as shitty a witness as she turned out to be in the original Bobby trial. She was contradictory, hesitant, unsure. Can you imagine her telling the jury that she'd heard Susan say she'd stabbed a guy 3 or 4 times in the legs and then it is brought out that Gary wasn't stabbed in the legs ?
Ultimately, Atkins made a series of ridiculously poor choices and was the author not only of two questionable books, but of her own misfortune and incarceration.
At best Kitty was the first step of a 26 mile marathon.
Matthew said...
Even though she was largely responsible for the family's capture and indictments in the killings, Bugs didn't call her to the witness stand because he did not trust her. One day she is running from the family and telling the cops everything she knows and the next minute she is shaving her head and carving an X
As Proteus pointed out, there was much in Kitty to show that she barely knew if she was coming, going, came or went. She runs away from the Family, then runs back in time for the Spahn raid. She flees from the desert scared to death, implicates a few of them in crimes {remember, the way she explained Bobby & Susan's participation was that a fight broke out and Gary died. She never said it was a murder} then goes back and does all the stuff you described. Confused.com !
She was lucky that she was able to keep her head
That's for sure. Although obviously Susan knew that Kitty implicated her, it makes one wonder how much the others knew where Kitty was concerned. Their reactions to Paul Watkins and Juan Flynn once they went over to the prosecution was pretty savage. But on the other hand, they leaned on Mary and Pat in Wisconsin and Mobile {and Stephanie Schram} in a sweeter way when they were wobbling into independence, so who knows. I formed the impression long ago {and Squeaky's book bears this out, as do other statements made around the time} that the Family members didn't really speak that deeply about personal things with each other because they were supposed to be putting all that past ego stuff behind them. I suspect that it was the intrinsic lack of real communication among them {other than parroting Charlie's words and thoughts} that broke like a dam and led to them gushing forth, unable to keep the torrent of pent up expression at bay {ie, couldn't shut up and keep their mouths closed}.
Grim, so many good points you make. For me, a snitch in the Manson family is anyone that does not keep their fucking mouth shut. That would certainly include Kitty. I have always been baffled by the fact that she was so in fear of her life in the desert and yet joined the family in front of the court house. I guess that you could blame some of that behavior on immaturity but if any of the core revenge folks knew of what all she told the police I am sure she would not be here today. She may have ended up on the same camping trip as Ronald Hughes. Or with Jane Doe 59.
Watch the videos of the street corner. Kitty didn't know the words to the songs. She was fringe.
Could Kitty's fear for her life in the desert be more a fear for her life from a specific person(s) who were free and among those that she was living with?
And, perhaps that person(s) were then "removed" from her personal social/MF/in person/physical contact orbit...giving her a 16/17yr old's impression of not fearing the "boogeyman" if the "boogyman" doesn't exist?
Then...the cold reality/life lesson for the naive 16/17 year old hits - you can't escape from the boogeyman...especially when the boogeyman has 20 arms and 20 legs!
Maybe a reach.
Maybe not...
I think that Bobby has done his time.
Vacaville has been the home to serial killer Edmund Kemper, since the mid 70's. I think they put him there because he turned himself in. Today Kemper works as a health care worker in the prison's hospice. Vacaville was also the prison that Manson was lit on fire at.
He threatened my sister but she got away
Kitty was a fringe member I met her back then
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