Here's a follow up to the previous post on the Fountain of the World. The article was written soon after the arrests of Charles Manson and the others for the Tate LaBianca murders.
CULT FEARS MANSON
Retreat Provided Food, Sanctuary
By Bill Milton
San Fernando Valley Times
December 11 1969
The bizarre Tate-LaBianca-Hinman murder cases took another
macabre twist when it was revealed today that members of the accused “Manson
Family” frequented and sometimes took refuge in a religious cult retreat with a
violence scarred past.
A frightened teen-aged girl, her mother and an aging
“sister”, who all live at the Fountain of the World commune in Box Canyon,
confirmed information that accused murderer Charles Miller (sic) Manson and
members of his hippie hate cult “several times” visited at the retreat.
Mrs. Ann Todd, her daughter, Virginia, 17, and Sister
Nekona, an elder of the commune, recalled how they met Manson and his
followers.
In an exclusive interview with a team of reporters and
photographers from this newspaper at the Fountain it was further learned that
several of the girls from the “family,” including Susan Denise Atkins, Patricia
Krenwinkel and possibly Linda Kasabian and another girl, had sought sanctuary
in the retreat shortly after the Tate and LaBianca murders in August.
Det. Lt. Robert Helder, key figure in the LAPD murder
probes, told Hollywood Citizen News- Valley Times that investigators knew of
the Manson Clan’s visits to the Fountain.
He described an “inner circle” of followers who are alleged to be the
perpetrators of the thefts, auto thefts and ultimately murder, but he said the
group sometimes numbered as high as 60 persons while in the Chatsworth area.
The secluded Fountain community is tucked away in a
tree-shrouded roadside deep in the rocky, boulder strewn Box Canyon about eight
miles from the Spahn Ranch where the hippie marauders made their home for
almost a year. The area is pretty
sparsely settled.
The Fountain, which now houses 15 men, women and children,
was the scene of a dynamite explosion Dec. 10, 1958, which killed “Krishna
Venta,” self-proclaimed Messiah and founder of the cult, and nine of his
followers. The two cult members who
assertedly detonated 40 sticks of dynamite were among those killed in the blast
and fire, according to Merle Hollis, chief criminal deputy for Ventura County,
who headed the investigation of the grisly event.
“Sister Nekona” and Mrs. Ann Tod described Manson and
several of his followers as “friendly and polite” during their many
visits. They said on several occasions
they gave them food and sometimes shelter for the girls and that they ate with
the Fountain members a few times in the communal dining hall and worship area.
Mrs. Todd reported that on “two or three” occasions Manson
and some of the girls took part in the commune’s Saturday night skits and musical
shows.
“Charlie would sing and play his guitar for us and the girls
would sing and harmonize. I complimented
them one time because they did sing so beautifully together,” said Mrs. Todd.
Both women say they had no reason to fear them at that time
but Mrs. Todd confided that she was “very leery of them” and that since the
story of the murders have come to light, she is “afraid for herself and the
lives of her children.”
Her fears are based on rumors that remnants of the clan are
still in the area. Deputies and police
are again combing the community for additional suspects in the mass murders.
Seventeen-year-old Virginia Todd, who has lived at the
Fountain with her mother and younger sister Cornelia, 9, for eight years, was
more vocal in expressing her fears of the group.
“I didn’t like him (Charles Manson) the first time I saw
him. He was always staring at me and
kept asking me to come with him into his bus and hear him play the guitar. I was really scared of him,” said the
girl. She referred to the green and
white school bus in which Manson and several of the girls arrived at the
retreat and lived in for a time.
On several points Mrs. Todd and her daughter disagreed. Mrs. Todd said the bus stayed near the
retreat for only “a few days” but Virginia was sure the bus was there “for a
couple of months.”
Neither she nor Sister Nekona could theorize why Manson had
come to the Fountain, whose members they say abhor violence and seek to embrace
all religious faiths as being equal.
However, it is known Manson studied mysticism in prison and referred to
himself as “Jesus” and “Satan.” Virginia
Tod said that some of the group referred to him as “Charlie the Guru” and
“Heavenly Father” on several occasions.
Mrs. Todd again affirmed her opinion that despite her fears
she considered the group “friendly” but with Virginia’s help she was able to
recall an incident in which “Katie” (an alias used by Miss Atkins) called her
and two other women “pigs.”
(The words “pig” and “piggy” figured prominently in the
murders of musician Gary Hinman, who befriended Manson, the Sharon Tate
slayings and the death of Leno LaBianca and his wife. Miss Atkins is charged with the murder of
Hinman. A girl now in custody also told
police that Manson directed his followers to go to the Benedict Canyon home of
Miss Tate and eradicate the “pigs.”)
“I think it was in September or maybe August when it
happened. ‘Sadie’ (Miss Atkins) and
three other girls came to the main hall of the Fountain and said they were
going to stay here,” said Mrs. Todd.
“Sister Muriel, Sister Barbara and myself told them that
they could not stay here. And Sadie said
that had ‘been told to come here’ or that ‘they had been sent here’ and they
refused to leave. We told her again that
she could not stay and would have to leave the private premises,” continued
Mrs. Todd.
She explained that the Fountain is a humanitarian group and
that when Manson and the others first arrived in October or November 1968, they
had helped them. “They were just dirty,
nasty looking people. They looked like
they needed a bath and some clean clothes and we did not mind helping them,”
she said.
But she related at the time of the return of the four girls
they had read about the arrest of most of the Manson Family at Spahn Ranch on
charges of auto theft.
“We will help people but we won’t harbor criminals. It is against our rules and against the law
and we had our children to consider,” said the worried mother.
After the second refusal of the girls to leave, Mrs. Todd
said one of the Fountain members went across the road to the Ventura County
Fire Department station and summoned a county sheriff to the retreat. The group went up the hill and sat in their
car, according to Mrs. Todd.
“It was when Sadie was sitting in the car that she said ‘Why
you pigs’ and she began to sing a song about pigs,” said Mrs. Todd.
Virginia, who was also present at the incident and says that
Miss Atkins “hated me,” said she told her mother and the other women, “You’re
three pigs, you’re the worst pigs I have ever seen.” She said that the deputy ordered them to
leave and they departed.
The fears of Mrs. Todd go beyond concern for the members of
the Fountain and her girls to her missing son.
Hugh “Rocky” Todd, 15, has been gone since Oct. 1 and his mother fears
that he may have joined with the Manson Family before they left. His sister, Virginia, said the boy seemed to
be infatuated with Katie (Miss Krenwinkel) and talked with her for long periods
of time about horses and motorcycles.
Missing along with the boy were two knives which she said
her brother always carried with him. The
girl said they were given to him by a man “with a long beard” who lived off and
on at the Box Canyon commune.
While Manson professed to be a religious leader, Sister
Nekona and Mrs. Todd said that he did not discuss the topic very much with any
of their group. Mrs. Tod remembered one
instance when Manson observed her correcting one of the younger children and he
assertedly told her, “Why correct a child.
A child knows what it is doing. You should let them do whatever they
want to do.”
Virginia said most of the time the Family’s conversations
were very confused and she felt they “were usually up on something.” She related hearing a conversation in which
Miss Atkins reportedly told another girl that “she hated killing anything, even
an animal.”
Manson also made this announcement about his “philosophy.” “Why fear anything? Let Man do anything he wants to do or has the
nerve to do.”
Both the mother and daughter said that Manson exerted a very
strong influence over the group which they said also included Charles D.
Watson, currently fighting extradition from Texas to face murder charges, and
Paul Watkins, arrested for auto theft in the raid on Barker Ranch in Death
Valley, where the clan assertedly lived following their departure from Spahn
Movie Ranch in late August or early September.
“He was the Lord and Master and anything he said they
did. They never questioned him or argued
with him,” said Mrs. Todd of the frail penetrating-eyed Manson, who is said to
have had a hypnotic control over his followers.
They said that during the year that the clan was in the area
they saw several men and women come and go.
Mrs. Todd told of a “Mary” who first arrived with Manson in
the school bus and reportedly gave birth to a child on the bus.
Virginia told of a girl named Beau, whom she described as
small and petite with brown hair and brown eyes. The girl called Beau told Virginia that when
she did something the group did not like they would stick long pins in her.
She told of Mary, a blond-haired attractive girl with a
college education, and Stephanie, a tall girl with kinky white hair and a very
bad complexion. And also, of a woman
about 30 who Virginia said was either an entertainer or “a prostitute.”
None of them recalls anyone but Manson and Watkins using
last names.
Both the Todds said that they never heard any of the group
mention the names Tate, Polanski, LaBianca, or Hinman but Virginia recalled one
of the girls mentioning a “big rich home in Benedict Canyon.”
The Todd girl, who at one time attended Valley College, said
also that she thought she recognized Terry Melcher, the son of Doris Day, as being
with Manson on one occasion but she could not be absolutely sure.
Manson assertedly blamed Melcher for the failure of his
songwriting career for the singing group known as the Beach Boys. Melcher, who was visited many times by
Manson, lived in the Benedict Canyon home before it was rented by Miss Tate.
Even now as the case progresses in the courts the residents
of the Fountain of the World would like to forget the name Charles Manson or
that they ever saw him and his band.
Mrs. Todd and her children live in fear.
18 comments:
Thanks for uploading this very interesting article. Somebody was obviously mistaken when referring to susan atkins as "katie". Most compelling part is the statement that terry melcher was seen in manson's company. Does anybody know if the fountain commune still exists today? Are those buildings mentioned in the article still standing?
I agree, the author confused Sadie with Katie.
The buildings at the Fountain still exist. But it's a lot more run down than it was back then. I do not believe that the commune itself is still in operation.
From an April 25 1994 LA Times Article:
"In property tax records, WKFL Fountain of the World is still listed as the owner of the Box Canyon monastery, even though it is also listed as being defunct. However, the buildings are leased to a private resident and property taxes are paid by Phil Shiver, a longtime canyon activist and resident."
It's interesting to note that the Fountain of the World is also known as WKFL Fountain of the World with the WKFL standing for Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith and Love.
Later Manson would devise ATWA, Air, Water, Trees and Animals, as his mantra to promote ecology.
You can drive by it on google earth at 585 Box Canyon Rd. It looks run down but there are cars there and some white trash shit laying around.There is a nice house for sale at 380 Box Canyon Rd.
The writer calls Susan "Kitie" and in the next paragraph she refers to her as "Sadie"
long ago on a location scout the Col was in one of the houses without realizing it- saw the fireplace it had WKFL set up at the inscription on the hearth. Trippy.
Nobody "hid out there after the murders"- utter bullshit
Rocky Todd was with the Family iirc
Penkovic/Venta had the scam down with the acronyms and the robes. Charlie's girls Squeaky and Sandy did the robes thing later. I think he also did a crucifixion recreation there a time or two.
Penkovic was obsessed with two things - fucking all the women he could trick and not paying taxes. The taxes thing was intense, like Hubbard intense. He didn't want to pay alimony either.
He would take 5- 10 people on trips to fight forest fires then fuck the chosen apostle in the back of a station wagon.
He got blown up because he fucked the wrong wives.
The Fountain followers were in some ways dumber than the Family. They weren't on drugs and they believed his Jesus bullshit. I think some of them remain in Alaska to this day awaiting Krishna's return.
Very edifying postscript from col deb n matthew.... Thanks.
The similarities between Manson and Ventna are too uncanny. Charlie stole his rap for sure
Notice that the article does not address the similarities between the philosophy of the FOTW and Charlie's own Helter Skelter beliefs.
Starviego, this article was published on December 11, 1969. No one knew what Helter Skelter was at that point in time
SixtiesRockRules! said...
Most compelling part is the statement that terry melcher was seen in manson's company
Well, Melcher was up at Spahn on two occasions, he even attested to that. Also the daughter that mentions Melcher only thought she recognized him and said she couldn't be sure and given that there were disagreements between the witnesses on some details and the possibility Linda Kasabian was one of the women up at the Fountain, I'd be inclined to not bet my house on anything major they said about anyone else.
ColScott said...
Nobody "hid out there after the murders"- utter bullshit
According to Leslie Van Houten, "Tex saw that I had been talking to Diane and he told me don't talk to anybody about what happened and that was sort of one of my first indicators of why not, you know. I didn't ask him that because questions weren't asked, but the idea that everybody wasn't involved, that was the first indicator that there was something else. And then they took, uh, he arranged for Pat and I to go to a place that was a couple miles away called the fountain of the world and we were isolated from the rest of the people at the ranch."
So make of that what you will.
starviego said...
Notice that the article does not address the similarities between the philosophy of the FOTW and Charlie's own Helter Skelter beliefs
The article doesn't really address any of the FOTW's beliefs.
cielodrivecom said...
this article was published on December 11, 1969
You know, all the while I read this article, I kept getting a sense of deja vu and then it occurred to me that I read it on your site either last year or the year before !
What is interesting is that some things {Manson as unquestioned leader, pig talk, the philosophy on kids, for example} were clearly visible to people with no real vested interest in the case and that the Susan Atkins article hadn't yet been published.......
One line in the article jumped off the page at me:
None of them recalls anyone but Manson and Watkins using last names.
That seems like it hints at a power structure within the males in the Family.
Matt said...
One line in the article jumped off the page at me:
None of them recalls anyone but Manson and Watkins using last names.
That seems like it hints at a power structure within the males in the Family.
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It could be that or it could mean that Paul wasn't all in on the "One" concept. He wanted to maintain his individuality and let people know he was his own person. When introducing himself to new people he probably told them his last name. That should have been a red flag for Manson because as it turned out Paul was one of the most outspoken people against him.
Most of the others were more than happy to lose their identity and follow Manson blindly. Although, Sandy Good pretty much held her ground as far as her name was concerned. She didn't have a nickname and the only name she used that wasn't hers was Pugh, her former fiance's last name.
With Charles Manson, Charles Watson, and (unknown to me) Charles Allen Beard, also the easily confused Watkins and Watson, I can see why Mr. Watson is often called Tex.
Paul Watkins is sometimes called Little Paul but I don't remember another Paul. Was there a Big Paul?
There was no Big Paul. It is just that Paul Watkins was a little guy and Manson loved giving everyone a nick name. Part of owning them and being in control.
Thanks Matthew. I once worked with a couple of guys who's name was Dick. Ones wife said that at a previous employment there was a man called Big Dick, a man called Little Dick, and I think there was a Dick or two left over.
I read somewhere (maybe Lynettes book?) that he became Little Paul after Paul Crockett came on the scene to distinguish between the two
Now, that makes sense. I hadn't thought about Paul Crockett.
BWAHAHAHA
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