The Susan Atkins vid has a short interview with Donald Laisure, Atkin's first husband. Boy he was a beaut!
Manson Followers React to Verdict.
Raw Footage of Press conference Following Tate Murders
One on One Interview With Susan Atkins
One on One Interview With Charles Manson
I sure do wish Snyder would have shut the hell up and let Manson tell the Hinman story.
ReplyDeleteAs it stands, Manson suggests both that he was simply strong arming Hinman and that he believed Hinman owed money.
Not one of Snyder's best interviews, that's for sure. Way too confrontational without having done any research. He kept trying to show how tough he(tom) is instead of trying to relate to Charlie and drawing him out
ReplyDeleteSnyder definitely blew his chance at getting at some kinda rational explanation from Manson. Charlie seemed to be lucid and prepared to talk freely for once, but the antagonistic attitude of Snyder just meant Manson would switch off and do his "I'm just a con and a child of the system routine".
ReplyDeleteA lost opportunity to Snyder's EGO!
Dan S said...
ReplyDeleteNot one of Snyder's best interviews, that's for sure. Way too confrontational without having done any research. He kept trying to show how tough he(tom) is instead of trying to relate to Charlie and drawing him out
Couldn't have put it better. The entire interview {it goes on for quite a while} is like that. Snyder just treats him with contempt and there are moments when it seems like he lands some jabs that Charlie didn't like.
F.C. Medina said...
I sure do wish Snyder would have shut the hell up and let Manson tell the Hinman story
I know that interrupting is a staple part of the human condition but Snyder here takes it to lengths that show real unprofessional indiscipline and as a result goes a long way towards wrecking the interview.
Maybe he was nervous !
A few observations...
ReplyDeleteTom Snyder: he is/was more annoying than Charlie. Tom knew to be aggressive to provoke Charlie in order to show the world what a monster Charlie was. The lung rocket was a nice touch showing he could get down to Charlie’s level.
Susan Atkins: wears a permanent frown. She’s full of sorrow and seems to at least own her shit. I don’t feel badly for her at all, just that she at least gives the appearance of understanding she ain’t going nowhere.
The nitwits on the street corner: continue to prove that HS wasn’t Bug’s creation.
Question: who’s the detective/officer with the coroner at the press release?
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ReplyDeleteQuestion: who’s the detective/officer with the coroner at the press release?
Bob Helder, head of the Tate investigation.
1. I saw the Snyder interview in 89 and I remember being beyond frustrated that he had Manson right there and he never asked the right questions or allowed CM to finish a thought. What a waste of time. 2. SA makes my skin crawl. She was "frightened"! Give me a break. Every one of those three girls has no soul behind their eyes. All their explanations and apologies scream of their own feelings rather than those of the victims or their families. SA got what she deserved; karma is a bitch. No parole, ever for any of them!
ReplyDeleteGreat news folks California serial killer Lawrence Bittaker has died of natural causes on death row. He did manage to live an additional 40 years after being sentenced. It took the jury 15 minutes to sentence him to death. Hopefully they flush his ashes down a toilet. Those of you who don't believe in the death penalty listen to him torturing 16 year old Lynette Ledford and you will change your mind. Bittaker recorded his torture of Ledford on a cassette. He called it pillow talk. It was played at his trial by Stephen Kay. People where running from the courtroom to get away from hearing it.
ReplyDeleteWorst of the worst. Good riddance
DeleteAfter watching Fourteen Days in May some years ago, I could never agree with the death penalty. Hindley/Brady taped torture too. A friend of my Dad's, Hooson, was a defence brief and had to listen to it. Had nightmares forever after.
DeleteI thought of you beauders when I saw that
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ReplyDeleteA few observations...
Tom Snyder: he is/was more annoying than Charlie. - Snip
Well put. I tried to like Tom Snyder back in the day, but failed
Snyder interviewing Johnny Rotten is an all time high light. (And lydons cohort from PIL). Snyder s interviews with iggy and Wendy o plasmatics were collected on a dvd my buddy had. Dead boys too
ReplyDeleteThe ultimate is Dan akroyds tom Snyder
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ReplyDeleteGreat news folks California serial killer Lawrence Bittaker has died of natural causes on death row.
Yeah, I read about that yesterday. There are people out there that are beyond redemption. I'm still against the death penalty, though. Put them in an 8x8 and slide meals through the door.
The Tom Snyder interview with Manson is from June of 1981. I remember watching it as I'd just graduated from high school.
ReplyDeleteHi Matt and Deb!!
Bloody Revolution.
ReplyDeleteThat half-wit half-witch sandra good and her threats. I always wanted to see that drug-addled waste of skin get slapped with emotional karma. Hey bitch, I like to play games in the desert too. Seems like just yesterday I was popping popcorn on the coals of your burning house. I can't tell you how many revolutions the pig on the spit did over your stuff. Good Times.
The Manson girl who seems the nuttiest to me is Nancy Pitman. She is one cold fish. She seems like a nice grandmother today but look at her kids. Several are in prison and all have the tattoos of the Aryan Brotherhood. These are not good and nice reformed people.
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ReplyDeleteThere are people out there that are beyond redemption. I'm still against the death penalty, though
I don't believe anyone is actually beyond redemption but I certainly do believe that many, possibly even most simply do not want to change or admit "the Man" was right and therefore......remain beyond redemption. Not because they're intrinsically so, but because they choose to be. Charlie was like that.
It is so hard to be against the death penalty, especially when you're straining against some natural inclinations for vengeance. I struggle with that almost every time, but holding to the principle of something being right can trump the feeling of wanting to obliterate a perp. Just about.
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ReplyDeleteThe nitwits on the street corner
What I find amazing was Kitty Lutesinger sitting there with them. Especially at the reading of the verdicts. I wonder what was going through her mind and come to think of it, that of sandy and Squeaky too, regarding her. To a large extent, she, rather than Susan Atkins is the one that got the law enforcement ball rolling with speed and stealth towards the Family. Before Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard. Before Al Springer. Before Bugliosi was even on the case.
Totally agree . Where's her stitches, Squeaky?
DeleteMatt, I can respect your opinion on the death penalty, but if you listen to the tape of Lynette Ledford being tortured I think you would change your opinion at least in this case. If you want to hear it, which I don't recommend, go to youtube and look up NBC News Archive Lawrence Bittaker trial. The person who put it up is called Rocketman 1984. Again I don't recommend it this is just footage of the tape being played in court and people running out of the courtroom to get away from hearing. You will also see young Stephen Kay coming out of the courtroom. You can hear the tape in the background and it is truly hideous. I mean Mengele was kinder to his victims than Bittaker and Norris.
ReplyDeleteI really wish I didn't read about that case.
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ReplyDeleteMatt, I can respect your opinion on the death penalty, but if you listen to the tape of Lynette Ledford being tortured I think you would change your opinion at least in this case.
I did listen to it and it made me cry. It's fucking horrible. I certainly understand anyone supporting putting that creep to death. However, innocent people have been executed in the US. I'd rather let all of them live in seclusion and eat gruel than execute one innocent person. I just can't get past that part.
The Derek Bentley case in the UK for example. Took decades for the family to get a posthumous pardon. He was 17 for Christ's sake and disabled...
DeleteI would add two things regarding Bittaker. One, if the tape isn’t compelling enough, just remember she was one of five victims, and all are believed to have been raped and tortured prior to be murdered. Two, the previous thread was about remorse. Bittaker famously complained that his arrest, conviction and incarceration had ruined his life. He is as remorseless a murderer as one could ever find.
ReplyDeleteMatt, I certainly don't want any innocent person executed and with DNA it's just not going to happen anymore. I also don't like the racial dynamics of the executed. I am such an old softy that I probably would have gave Susan Atkins compassionate release when she was wheeled into her final parole hearing. Bittaker's crimes hurt my soul. The lead detective was so afraid of Bittaker and Norris that he killed himself. He had convinced himself that somehow they would get released and go after his wife and daughter, so he felt maybe he could avert that by killing himself. Obviously he had PTSD and needed help, but in 1980 tough police officers didn't go for help.
ReplyDeleteDNA is not the be all and end of. It can be transferred. Combined with other evidence,of course it is useful. Nevertheless one should be cautious in accepting it absolutely.
DeletePlus the chain of evidence(how it's handled and processed) can be corrupted leading to false positives
DeleteWith DNA, confessions from crime partners and witnesses, and other investigative tools innocent people will not be executed.
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ReplyDeleteThe Manson girl who seems the nuttiest to me is Nancy Pitman. She is one cold fish.
Whenever I think of her I’m reminded of a brief, passing line in RH’s 2007 film: Brenda seems to get harder each day. For some reason, it seems to be the most concise way to sum up her life, though I hope time has allowed her to move on, if that’s what she wants.
For full monty fruit crackers, nothing beats Sandy. Brenda certainly had a hardness and meanness about her, but Sandy has appeared outright delusional since the early 70s.
Sandy.
ReplyDelete3 for Sandy. Quick question: did she have a nick name or alias during the spahn days (i believe blue came later)?
ReplyDeleteIt would be interesting to hear the insight from Sandy and Nancy now. They came from well-to-do families but lacked attention perhaps like many of the Manson girls. They had the glazed over cult eyes. But, it amazes me still under the spell? So many people have hard childhoods but are still strong and overcome. Part of it was the late 1960s, but part of it is something else like mental illness and drugs.
ReplyDeleteAwaiting, are you speaking of the Bittaker case? If so I try not to describe what they did because it is so disturbing, so I'm sorry you explored it. I actually knew someone who was friendly with Bittaker and Bittaker invited him to his execution. The guy didn't want to go so he told me I could go which I would have done. I wanted to see Bittaker die and I wanted to shake Stephan Kays hand and say thank you. I do tend to forget about his crime partner Roy Norris who was a convicted rapist before he even met Bittaker. He is just as evil and I look forward to his death as well.
ReplyDeleteMrs A, the thing about Sandy is that she has stayed the same as she was in 1969 but Nancy Pitman left Manson for a more violent group, the Aryan Brotherhood, and she had children with an Aryan Brotherhood member. Her kids seem to have taken on the worst characteristics of both parents. They are frequently imprisoned in the Oregon State Prison and I think there is one there now. One would think that Pitman would have told her kids not to take the same path she did but it looks like she encouraged it or at best just had no control over them. I live in Portland, Oregon and I swear I saw her in a Tex Mex restaurant here. I would not like to live next door to her and if I were to be scared of any of them today it would be her. I would love to be neighbors with Lynette Fromme, she is intelligent and interesting but she would probably find me a pest because I would have a million questions. We corresponded in the late 1990's and she actually helped me deal with my older brothers death.
ReplyDeleteBeauders - I totally agree. I majored in psychology and worked with teens, so it always interests me. Nature vs. nurture. Sometimes they’re just born that way and different as in Nancy’s case. Sandy seems to have something missing. Yeah, I don’t get the white supremacist thing. Angry. People who remain angry all the time - bipolar or borderline personality disorder. Many of the Manson girls had eating disorders which is accompanied by depression. I’d just like insight as to if they felt loved by their parents? Did they engage in self harm? What did they feel were turning points?
ReplyDeleteSome people are just “stuck” you can be angry at your parents for divorcing and never move past.
ReplyDeleteI think the women that followed that evil man are more interesting as to the “why”?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what was more bizzar, the murders or Donald Lee Laisure.
ReplyDeleteDan S said...
ReplyDelete3 for Sandy. Quick question: did she have a nick name or alias during the spahn days (i believe blue came later)?
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Dan, You're correct, Blue came later. Sandy did not have a nickname, she used variations of her true name Sandra Collins Good and also used the last name of Joel Pugh.
The book about Sandys sister is very interesting and gives insight into Sandys upbringing. They were well off and very well educated.
ReplyDeleteAt the 9:00 minute mark on the News Conference Video, Helder says Garretson tried to make a phone call from the Guest House at 5:30am. This is news to me. Who was he attempting to call?
ReplyDeleteYes Starviego,
DeleteWho was William Garretson attempting to call?
On his own phone?
Puzzling, weren't the telephone wires cut?
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I’ve always read that he was calling the number for the current time.
ReplyDeleteSample reference: https://www.cielodrive.com/archive/it-was-horrible-caretaker-relates/
ReplyDeleteHe said he tried to use the telephone to call for the time about dawn but found the telephone in the cottage dead. However, he did not investigate and went to sleep.
Ok, thanks Carlos.
DeleteThat's according to Garretson's statement. I suppose will never really know for sure.
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I've got Sourpuss Sandy neck and neck with Lovable Lynette coming down the final stretch.
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ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what was more bizzar, the murders or Donald Lee Laisure
Many people would, on first glance, find that a bizarre statement in itself, but actually, it's a really deep question. Because, as strange as the murders and all surrounding them are, Laisure is every bit as. Even if it's not true that he had been married 35 times, just the fact that such a rumour could persisitently follow him about screams "bizarre !!!" and when you throw in him talking about getting her a pardon from the White House and then later saying she tried to stab him......
As DebS said, a beaut.
They were perfectly matched !
Mrs A said...
Some people are just “stuck”....you can be angry at your parents for divorcing and never move past
"Stuck" is a fantastic way of describing that place that so many people never depart from. And it is a most damaging place. I think we all have to at least fight it at some point in our lives.
After reading Lynette's book, I was sad for her. Life at Spahn, the carefree hippy life and being surrounded by people that loved and cared for her was the perfect life for her. Then the murders happened and blew all of that out of the water. I think that she still pines for those days. On the other hand, Sandy seemed to relish in the cameras and microphones in her face. Taking on as the spokesperson on the street for the family and preaching about Armageddon seemed to be her thing. She justified the murders as a necessity of war. Did the whole talk show circuit and everything. Funny how you never hear her say anything about being wrong about all this shit coming down real soon. Fifty years later and still waiting for it.
ReplyDeleteMrs A., The fact that Sandy knew her mother didn't love her, the mother told her she wished Sandy had died due to bad health in her childhood may be her sticking point. That has to hurt.
ReplyDeleteYes. I remembered later she said that. So sad. It definitely has to hurt. That’s why I’d wish they could all be more self-reflective.
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