We know that Manson had more than one recording
session between his release from prison in March, 1967 and the murders in early
August, 1969. One of these occurred at Brian Wilson’s home studio. Manson’s
frustrated recording career, which he allegedly blamed on Terry Melcher, was
touted by Bugliosi at the trial as one of the ‘motives’ for the murders. The
latest ABC two-hour documentary “Truth and Lies: The Manson Family” spent a
significant amount of time on this
subject.
Specifically, Bugliosi says:
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"We knew there was at least one secondary motive for
the Tate murders. As Susan Atkins put it in the Caballero tape, “The reason
Charlie picked that house was to instill fear into Terry Melcher because Terry
had given us his word on a few things and never came through with them.” But
this was obviously not the primary motive, since, according to Gregg Jakobson,
Manson knew that Melcher was no longer living at 10050 Cielo Drive."
Bugliosi, Vincent; Curt Gentry. Helter Skelter: The
True Story of the Manson Murders (p. 269). W. W. Norton & Company. Kindle
Edition.
"Manson was counting on Terry Melcher to produce
this album. According to numerous Family members (both Melcher and Jakobson
denied this), Terry had promised to come and listen to the songs one evening.
The girls cleaned the house, baked cookies, rolled joints. Melcher didn’t show.
Manson, according to Poston and Watkins, never forgave Terry for this.
Melcher’s word was no good, he said angrily on a number of occasions."
Bugliosi, Vincent; Curt Gentry. Helter Skelter: The
True Story of the Manson Murders (p. 298). W. W. Norton & Company. Kindle
Edition.
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The evidence, in my opinion, establishes that this simply does not make sense. Far from having a ‘dead end’
career caused by Melcher, by August 1, 1969 it appears Manson’s career was progressing better than
it ever had to that point.
Very little is available regarding the non-Beach
Boys sessions. But here is what I have been able to find out.
1967
UNI Records
8255 Sunset Blvd.
Hollywood
Manson met Phil Kaufman at Terminal
Island shortly before his release. Kaufman was impressed enough with Manson’s
music that he suggested Manson contact his friend, Gary Stromberg, after he was
released.
Stromberg, in turn, was impressed enough by Manson that he
arranged a three-hour studio session for him at Universal City Records (UNI). Stromberg
apparently also consulted with Manson regarding a potential film project.
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Stromberg: "So Phil told him I was in fits and sent him to see me. He's a charming guy, he really had charisma.
He used to come over two or three times a week in a bus which he painted white. And he had painted Hollywood Film Company across the side so nobody would bother him. And inside it was really trippy. He had an icebox and a stereo system and a floating coffee table suspended from the ceiling. The only food they had was cream puffs. Someone had given them a case of cream puffs and every day that's what they existed on. We would sit in the bus and listen to records or he would play. And we'd eat cream puffs.
The thing that really attracted me to Charlie was that I was working on a story at Universal for a film that took the premise that if Jesus came back today, in this country and this climate and current situation, that he most likely would or very well could have been a black man. We were going to construct a story about Christ returning as a black man in the South today. Naturally the white Christians would have been the Romans.
Charlie is very Christ-like and has a Christ-like philosophy. And he was technical advisor on what Christ's positions would have been relative to certain things. He got very into it because he liked the idea of being an authority on Christ. He has a very sophisticated knowledge of Biblical things. He doesn't read but he seemed well read. And we would bounce things off Charlie in developing the story.
The movie was never made. Universal hated it, despised it."
Quoted in: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-the-incredible-story-of-the-most-dangerous-man-alive-19700625
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He used to come over two or three times a week in a bus which he painted white. And he had painted Hollywood Film Company across the side so nobody would bother him. And inside it was really trippy. He had an icebox and a stereo system and a floating coffee table suspended from the ceiling. The only food they had was cream puffs. Someone had given them a case of cream puffs and every day that's what they existed on. We would sit in the bus and listen to records or he would play. And we'd eat cream puffs.
The thing that really attracted me to Charlie was that I was working on a story at Universal for a film that took the premise that if Jesus came back today, in this country and this climate and current situation, that he most likely would or very well could have been a black man. We were going to construct a story about Christ returning as a black man in the South today. Naturally the white Christians would have been the Romans.
Charlie is very Christ-like and has a Christ-like philosophy. And he was technical advisor on what Christ's positions would have been relative to certain things. He got very into it because he liked the idea of being an authority on Christ. He has a very sophisticated knowledge of Biblical things. He doesn't read but he seemed well read. And we would bounce things off Charlie in developing the story.
The movie was never made. Universal hated it, despised it."
Quoted in: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-the-incredible-story-of-the-most-dangerous-man-alive-19700625
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The Music Corporation of America (MCA) got into the record business in
1962 when they purchased the US Decca label. In 1966 they added Universal City
Records. The logo abbreviated the name to UNI and the company was commonly
called UNI Records. The label's focus was 'psychedelic' bands.
A source I don’t trust claims the original ‘Lie’ album sleeve notes say ‘Look
At Your Game Girl’ and ‘Eyes of a Dreamer’ were recorded during these sessions. If you have the album you can verify this. I have not been able to corroborate it. By the release of that album the same
source says the tapes had disappeared and Kaufman took the songs from a 45 rpm
record credited to ‘Silverhawk’. I found no reference to 'Silverhawk' as a label or a recording studio.
Manson did record 'Sick City' at this session and the songs recorded here form the basis of the 'Unplugged' and 'Summer of Hate '67' and 'All the Way Live' CDs. Manson is clearly nervous but the music has a few good moments. Manson doesn't play complete songs on several occasions during the recordings, which may explain why this didn't go anywhere.
The 'Unplugged' CD completely refutes one part of the 'Cease to Exist' documentary. In the documentary around 18:00 there is an exchange between Manson and the booth where Manson describes the microphones as 'phallic symbols'. The documentary claims this is the Beach Boys recordings and that the voice from the booth is Dennis Wilson. The exact same exchange occurs at about 17:57 of the 'Unplugged' recordings. It is also interesting that at 27:27 (about) of 'Unplugged' Manson discusses his 'you can't get out of the room through the door' philosophy, which Kaufman claims Manson spoke to prison guard in his presence on Terminal Island.
Manson did record 'Sick City' at this session and the songs recorded here form the basis of the 'Unplugged' and 'Summer of Hate '67' and 'All the Way Live' CDs. Manson is clearly nervous but the music has a few good moments. Manson doesn't play complete songs on several occasions during the recordings, which may explain why this didn't go anywhere.
The 'Unplugged' CD completely refutes one part of the 'Cease to Exist' documentary. In the documentary around 18:00 there is an exchange between Manson and the booth where Manson describes the microphones as 'phallic symbols'. The documentary claims this is the Beach Boys recordings and that the voice from the booth is Dennis Wilson. The exact same exchange occurs at about 17:57 of the 'Unplugged' recordings. It is also interesting that at 27:27 (about) of 'Unplugged' Manson discusses his 'you can't get out of the room through the door' philosophy, which Kaufman claims Manson spoke to prison guard in his presence on Terminal Island.
1968
Gold Star Studios
6252 Santa Monica Boulevard
Hollywood
Most sources say most of the 'Lie' album was recorded at Gold Star Studios on August 8, 1968, one year prior to the murders at Cielo Drive. In his interview with Aaron Stovitz on January 27, 1970 (one of the worst witness interviews I have ever heard) Kaufman explains that ‘the girls’ approached him regarding the album and brought him some tapes. It is probable these are the tapes.
Some sources claim that Gary Stromberg arranged
this session. To me that doesn’t make sense. First it means Manson waited over
a year after his early release from prison before he contacted Kaufman’s
friend. Second, that would leave the 1967 UNI session unaccounted for. More
likely this session was arranged by Dennis Wilson and may be the origin for the
claim that the Beach Boys recorded Manson in the summer of 1968.
Gold Star was founded by David S. Gold and Stan Ross in 1950. The name came from David's name, (David) GOLD and Stan's name, STA(n) R(oss). Ross hand made the original recording equipment. However, the studio's claim to fame was its echo chambers.
Gold Star was founded by David S. Gold and Stan Ross in 1950. The name came from David's name, (David) GOLD and Stan's name, STA(n) R(oss). Ross hand made the original recording equipment. However, the studio's claim to fame was its echo chambers.
This site and other sources (in fact, most other
sources) claim the Beach Boys ‘Manson’ sessions at Brian’s home occurred
sometime during the summer of 1968. They didn't.
1969
1969 is the most interesting year in Manson’s
recording career if for no other reason than supposedly it was his encounters
with Terry Melcher in May 1969 that lead directly to the ‘Secondary’ or
‘Revenge’ motive.
It appears the Melcher listened to Manson on three
occasions. The first of these occurred at Dennis Wilson's house and this ended with Wilson giving Melcher a ride back to Cielo Drive with Manson in the back seat. If this event happened it likely happened
in 1968 as Melcher moved from Cielo the first week of January, 1969.
In May 1969 Gregg Jakobson convinced Melcher to come to
Spahn Ranch and listen to Manson ‘in his element’. On the second occasion
Jakobson arranged to have Michael Deasy and his ‘mobile recording trailer’ present to
record the event. I was unable to verify whether Deasy actually recorded Manson on this occasion or if he did what happened to these tapes.
Sound City Studios
15452 Cabritto Road
Van Nuys, California
Manson recorded here sometime after April 1969 in Studio B. Sound City’s Facebook
page acknowledges that Manson recorded there and says
that Dennis Wilson arranged the Sound City sessions for Manson.
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“Dennis
[Wilson] was the person with the acquaintance with the Manson family-- in a way
responsible for Charlie's demos being done at Sound City, sometime in 1968.”
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The problem with that timing (1968) is that,
according to their own website and the California Corporate Division, Sound
City didn't exist until April 1969.
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Website: http://soundcitystudios.com
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Here is how Studio B is described on one website (probably long after Manson was there):
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Studio Dimensions
Studio
: 26' X 18' Ceilings Height : 14' Drum
Booth : 18' X 9' X 14'Console
Neve 8038, (34) Inputs, (16) Busses and (24)
Tape Machines
(1) Studer 800MKII 24 Track (16 Track head stack available)
(2) Studer A80 two tracks (1/2" & 1/4" heads available )
(1) Panasonic 3700 DAT recorder
Monitoring Systems
George Augsberger Design with JBL Components, Tuned by Steve Brandon
NS - 10M's
Outboard Gear For Studio B
(1) Yamaha SPX900
(1) Yamaha SPX990
(2) Urei 1176 Limiters
(1) Lang PEQ-2 Equalizer
(1) Lexicon PCM 42
(1) EQP-1A
(2) DBX - 165a compressor / limiters
(2) DBX - 160xt compressor / limiters
(1) Eventide H-3500 SE harmonizer
(1) Eventide H - 949 harmonizer
(1) Eventide H - 910 harmonizer
(1) Eventide FL-201 efx processor
(1) GML 8200 stereo parametric equalizer
(1) Tube Tech LCA-2B
(1) Drawmer DS-404 (4 gates )
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Some of the greatest albums of all time were
recorded at Sound City including After the Gold Rush (Neil Young), Terrapin
Station (The Grateful Dead), Rumors (Fleetwood Mac), Damn the Torpedoes (Tom
Petty), Nevermind (Nirvana) and Spirit’s The Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus.
Tom Skeeter and Joe Gottried founded Sound City in
1969. Over 100 gold albums were recorded there between 1969 and 2011. At the
heart of the studio's success it is said was its fabled Neve 8028 analogue
recording console (pictured above), which Skeeter and Gottfried added to the studio shortly
after opening.
David Grohl, formerly of Nirvana, made a documentary about Sound City that won accolades at the Sundance Film Festival in 2013. He thought about putting Manson in the film but decided against it.
The date Manson recorded here is unknown. I believe it was in the spring of 1969 as part of Jakobson's efforts to record him during that window.
David Grohl, formerly of Nirvana, made a documentary about Sound City that won accolades at the Sundance Film Festival in 2013. He thought about putting Manson in the film but decided against it.
The date Manson recorded here is unknown. I believe it was in the spring of 1969 as part of Jakobson's efforts to record him during that window.
Wilder Brothers Studio
10323 Santa Monica Blvd
Los Angeles
According to his trial testimony Gregg Jakobson
began recording Manson fairly extensively in the Spring of 1969.
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Q (Fitzgerald): Did
you ever actually record any of the music?
A. Yes.
Q: In a
studio?
A Yes.
Q:
On more than one
occasion.?
A Yes.
*****
Q. When?
A. This would have been in the Spring of 1969.
****
Q. (Kanarak) What do you mean, you could have been
recording?
A. Well, I mean, I could have gone there to discuss
recording. It could have been the time period in which Charlie Manson and I
were going to a recording studio a lot and recording.
Q. I see.
****
Q (Kanarek): And directing your attention, then,- were you
recording -- now that you remember it so clearly for us, would you tell us,
were you recording on that day?
A. I couldn't tell you.
Q. Well, you --
A. I said before, it could have been the time period, and by
"time period," I mean, it was several weeks, or a month that we were
going into the studio and recording.
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Later, writing under the rather ineffective alias, Lance Fairweather, Jakobson had this to say.
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"Sometime later I started recording Charlie at a little studio here called Wilder Studio. And the owner George Wilder, was leery of Charlie because he knew Charlie was an ex-con, and because Charlie to a straight person is sort of a wild looking guy-his eyes, his hair, his movements and everything. So he was a little leery of Charlie and he kept bugging me saying, 'Listen, this guy is an ex-com. I don't know what he's going to do. He might flip out or beat me up or something. And what about my money.'
So Charlie turned to him and said, 'Aw, don't worry about your money. You can have all these guitars.' And Wilder, dumbfounded, said, 'Wait a minute. What does he mean I can have all these guitars?' It really blew his mind. Charlie just walked out, saying, 'You can have 'em man.' He was bugged. He left him two or three amplifiers, two electric guitars, and acoustic guitar and some other instruments."
Quoted in: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-the-incredible-story-of-the-most-dangerous-man-alive-19700625
"Sometime later I started recording Charlie at a little studio here called Wilder Studio. And the owner George Wilder, was leery of Charlie because he knew Charlie was an ex-con, and because Charlie to a straight person is sort of a wild looking guy-his eyes, his hair, his movements and everything. So he was a little leery of Charlie and he kept bugging me saying, 'Listen, this guy is an ex-com. I don't know what he's going to do. He might flip out or beat me up or something. And what about my money.'
So Charlie turned to him and said, 'Aw, don't worry about your money. You can have all these guitars.' And Wilder, dumbfounded, said, 'Wait a minute. What does he mean I can have all these guitars?' It really blew his mind. Charlie just walked out, saying, 'You can have 'em man.' He was bugged. He left him two or three amplifiers, two electric guitars, and acoustic guitar and some other instruments."
Quoted in: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-the-incredible-story-of-the-most-dangerous-man-alive-19700625
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Wilder Brothers Studio was founded, not surprisingly, by the Wilder Brothers. The brothers were Warner, Walter and George Weidler. Their mother, a former Wagnerian opera singer in both Germany and the US, encouraged the lads to explore music. They appeared in several films as children and later performed with Les Brown's orchestra and Stan Kenton's orchestra. George also played saxophone. Doris Day was Les Brown's lead singer (that's Doris to the right). She was married to George from 1946-1949.
Their early 'solo' work as a vocal group was under the name Weidler Brothers and consisted mostly of polka music. In the mid-fifties they changed their name and released several novelty songs and a few doo-wop singles. That's the brothers to the left (George is on the right). For anyone interested they can be heard here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fyF9p3T0Mg
Their early 'solo' work as a vocal group was under the name Weidler Brothers and consisted mostly of polka music. In the mid-fifties they changed their name and released several novelty songs and a few doo-wop singles. That's the brothers to the left (George is on the right). For anyone interested they can be heard here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fyF9p3T0Mg
The tapes from Sound City and Wilder Brothers have never surfaced but must be fairly extensive based upon Jakobson's comments.
Brian's Home Studio
10452 Bellagio Road
Los Angeles
The official narrative says the recording sessions which took place at Brian Wilson's home happened during he summer of 1968. They actually happened a few weeks before the murders during the summer of 1969.
Stephen Desper is a recoding engineer who worked extensively with the Beach Boys. During the summer of 1969 Desper received a call from Beach Boys management telling him that Dennis Wilson wanted him to record Manson. Desper set up a series of nighttime sessions with Manson (and a few of the girls). The mythology that has grown up around these sessions claims that Manson pulled a knife on Desper and threatened him but Desper actually terminated the sessions for a different reason.
Desper left the tapes on a shelf in the studio and later after the murders became the 'Manson murders' was ordered to move them to 'the vault'. To the best of his knowledge no one has ever listened to the tapes and they sit there to this day.
Here is what Desper has had to say about the sessions.
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“A day or
two before Charlie came to Brian's house studio, I received a call from
management (i.e. [Nick] Grillo) that a friend of Dennis' would be coming to the
studio such-and-such a night for a recording session that Dennis wanted
arranged for Charlie. It was to be a demo session of singing and guitar playing
by this guy Charlie Manson. Dennis would not be there. Brian was out and Carl
had no interest. It was Charles, myself and several tag-along girls. Actually
there were several late-nite sessions until I finally refused to record him
further. I can handle almost any artist's idiosyncrasies, of which Charlie had
many, but it was the smell of this un-kept and un-washed human that I had to
sit next to at the console that I could not or rather did not wish to endure
any longer. Why the hell any girl would want to have sex with a person with BO
is beyond me, but still there were three or four young ones waiting every night
out in the studio to just get the chance; his so-called "family."
Charles Manson was Dennis' Brother Records project. No other Beach Boy was
interested. At the very least they agreed to give Dennis the studio for a
couple of demo sessions -- and then the plan was to listen to what got recorded
and see if Dennis' friend was worth a chance on the BRI label. I have often wondered
how much my canceling of the demo sessions played in the subsequent unfoldment
of events in the follow weeks, as Charles has said his motive for revenge was
primed from his belief that his talents were not appreciated by the label --
although he was not that talented and certainly not ready for the recording
scene ... as I reported back to management. But then, one can play the
"what if" game about any event, and it proves nothing.
To my knowledge they are still in the
vault where I was told to place them the day the story broke of the Manson
murders. However things in the vault seem to come and go.”
***
“Please keep in mind as you read all this, that it
happened a couple of weeks BEFORE the "event." So to me he was
this creapy guy I was to record playing his Guitar and singing some original
songs. I treated Charlie with the same respect as anyone recording in the
studio, but he started out a little pushy, or maybe that's how it impressed me.
In hind sight I'd say he just had a problem with authority. At first it
was, "I'm going to do this and you record me," whereas after the
first playback it became more like, "what do I do now so you can make a
better recording." That is, he realized that I was running the session,
not him -- that he was out of his league in the studio environment and had best
trust an expert if he wanted the end product to reflect his best side. Once
that was established he did farily [sic] well as an artist and things moved
along.
***
“From my perspective, here was a single artist
playing a single instrument, and I had eight tracks to capture whatever I
wanted. So of course, record the guitar in stereo and the vocal with two mics.
That's four tracks. I could have the artist add a bass or overdub. That never
happended [sic]. But anyway... Charlie's envision of recording was him in
front of a mic. When confronted with four microphones and baffles, he was
overwhelmed. He had to sit, or try to stay somewhat in the center between the
two mics. His vocal screen had two mics behind it, each with their own track.
This would give me two different microphone signatures to blend for a final
sound. I was in and out of the studio making adjustments and complaining to him
to sit still. He was constantly standing up and being fidgety. I would just get
it all adjusted and he would move out of his seat. Finally I told him that if
he wanted a successful demo recording he was going to need to settle down and
listen to me. I was on his side. Just follow my instructions and play real good.
The rest, I'll take care of and make him sound great. Give me your best, and
I'll give you mine. So after a while he settled into the whole recording scene
and we did get some good tracks.
I recorded Charles Manson playing several songs
during the course of a few days. Those tapes were placed on the tape shelf
located under the monitors. During the next few weeks and to my knowledge no
one ever requested to hear them. They ask me what I thought of him as a
potential talent for the label, but then time ran out. That is to say, before
the tapes were ever reviewed by anyone, the murders happened and the tapes were
locked away. Even Dennis never ask about the tapes only to inquire if he showed
up for the sessions. Dennis wanted to be certain that his friend had been able
to make the demo recordings, which was what he told Charlie he would arrange
for him.
You see, Manson was very unaware of how these
things work. He thought that he would record the demo, then the next day
everyone would listen and a contract would be pushed under his nose. In
practice, these things may take months to pan out. Undoubtedly Dennis and
Charlie talked, but their understandings mean nothing in the music business.
They were both lawyers & contracts away from anything meaningful.”
***
“If Manson would have exhibited more patience with
the situation, eventually someone would hear the demo and make a judgement.
Maybe they would buy a song or two. Who knows.”
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His impressions of Manson.
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“I will be glad to answer any other questions you
may have. I'm not afraid to speak on this matter. I got along with Charlie from
the start. I found his compelling nature an interesting study in human nature.
People who exibit [sic] "animal magnetism" to such a high degree are
a rare find. I was fascinated [sic] by this aspect of Manson. This along with
his coercing use of half-truths, cleverly constructed to make his point seem
logical was, to this engineer and scientist, a curiosity that made him an
intriguing character. I could see how his personality and speech might
easily endure him to an uneducated young person. I think Brian, Carl and Mike
saw right through Charlie's shroud of self-proclaimed truism, but also realized
he was just a means by which Dennis could find easy sex with many young girls,
and so indulged Dennis' use of the studio as a way of staying on his pimp's
good side.”
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“Manson only had a song with basic chords on the
guitar and a melody lead line. It was the 'Boys who took that basic concept and
turned it into a real commercial tune. All the added vocal arrangement
throughout the entire song was created by Brian and Carl. Manson was only in
the studio one evening, by himself and his silent girls. He never conferred or
worked in any way with the group.”
***
“After all the stuff of value that Manson ripped
off from Dennis, it [Never Learn Not To Love] was a fair trade for the outline
of a song that Manson recorded at the Beach Boy's expense, in their studio. The
Beach Boys spoke little about ownership of the song. Dennis took Manson's
original concept and made something of it ... something Manson could never have
done. If Manson had been a decent person, the Beach Boy organization would have
given him credit and treasure, as they did with other writers. But Manson was a
thief and did not play by civil rules. By those rules, he was compensated as
far as they were concerned.”
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About Manson
pulling a knife on Desper during the recording sessions.
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“He liked to clean under his fingernails with the
blade. It was a switchblade knife. Things like that don't bother me. I made it
plain from the on-set that I was in charge of the recording session. When he
pulled out his knife, I let him clean himself a few times and then ask Manson
if I could see his knife and would he show me how it works -- which he did.
Then I ask him again if I could hold the knife to see how the weight was. He
did give me the knife and I balanced it on my finger to check the balance. We
talked a little about balance and how it affected the toss of the knife. After
that he put it in his pocked and got down to the business of recording. This
knife nail cleaning habit is not unusual among some would-be tough guys. I saw
it practiced while in High School as a student. If it was intended to impress
or threaten me; it did not -- and Manson knew it by my at-ease with this
practice. In fact, Manson displayed respect for me and told me so when he did
not have a light for his cigarette. I went off leaving him along in the control
room, to search in Brian's house for a match. When I returned with a book of
matches, Charlie thought that was really something -- that I would make such an
effort on his behalf. (Actually I just did not want him wondering around Brian
and Marylin's house looking for a light.) At any event it did tend to make a
positive impression in him.”
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About the myth that Manson had Dennis Wilson’s home
‘creepy-crawled’.
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“I am NOT an expert on the Dennis/Manson matter.
All I know is what happened in the studio at those few evening demo sessions
with Charlie. I do recall being told that Dennis was laying low for a while,
but that's about it. Never heard any talk around the studio of
"creepy-crawlers" in Dennis' bedroom. But if such a thing would have
taken place, I would think that everyone would be placed under police
protection at that point. Dennis could easily have gone to a cabin, or flown to
NYC or Canada if he really wanted to lay low. I doubt if Manson had a passport
or the means to fly anywhere. Besides he would need to take a three-hour bath
just to get onto an airplane.”
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These quotes were taken from Stephen Desper’s
comments on this website. http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1203.0.html
You have to search through the thread to find the
Manson comments. If you go to the site and then to page 75 of the thread and
scroll down you will see that ‘Dreath’ makes an appearance. I had hoped given
his comment (above) that Mr. Desper might have been willing to let me interview
him. As you can see, he declined. However, he was kind enough to confirm the general date of
the sessions: 'several weeks before the murders'. That would mean sometime in June
or July, 1969.
What about Bugliosi's ‘secondary’ motive?
IMO: It's crap (and I don't care what Manson has said).
In order for the revenge motive to make any sense two things are essential. First, Manson’s recording career must be at a dead end by July 1969 or at least he had to perceive it that way. Second, Terry Melcher has to be the culprit. Neither of these are supported by the evidence.
In July 1969 Manson’s musical career, far from being at a dead end, had
just received a big shot of adrenaline. He was recorded over several nights by Stephen Desper at Brian Wilson’s home studio and the tapes were sitting there waiting for
review by Dennis and the Boys. The Boys are going to give them a listen and decide if he was something
Brother Records wanted to pick up. Only a few weeks passed after the sessions until the murders occurred, per Desper. There isn't time for a melt down.
Desper states that he told ‘management’ that he did
not think Manson was ready but also acknowledges they
recorded some good songs. This was Dennis Wilson’s Brother Records
project. According to Desper the band had to listen to the tapes and then make a decision.
Dennis Wilson corroborates Stephen Desper in the interview that appeared in Rave magazine in May 1969:
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"Fear is nothing but awareness. I was frightened as a child because I did not understand fear- the dark, being lost, what was under the bed! It came from within. Sometimes the Wizard frightens me- Charlie Manson, who is another friend of mine who says he is God and the devil! He sings, sings, plays and writes poetry and may be another artist for Brother Records."
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Wilson is still talking about Manson a month or so later in another interview that appeared in the July 5, 1969 issue of the Record Mirror.
So it appears there was interest on Wilson's part a few weeks before the murders. If Desper is correct the issue boiled down to getting the Beach Boys to sit down and listen to the tapes and make a decision. That never happened. Given their schedule from May through September 1969 it is really not surprising.
http://esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs69.html
It also doesn't appear that Melcher's primary 'role' focused on Manson's music. By May, Gregg Jakobson had been pushing Manson on Melcher not to record him (initially) but to make a documentary about Manson and the Family. That's why he took Melcher to Spahn. If the Melcher/Jakobson connection was primarily music why not just give Melcher the Wilder tapes and ask him to take a listen? Jakobson believed that a film about Manson would be the avenue to introduce his music? He then thought Melcher would also record Manson. It was, as he has said, a package.
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Dennis Wilson corroborates Stephen Desper in the interview that appeared in Rave magazine in May 1969:
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"Fear is nothing but awareness. I was frightened as a child because I did not understand fear- the dark, being lost, what was under the bed! It came from within. Sometimes the Wizard frightens me- Charlie Manson, who is another friend of mine who says he is God and the devil! He sings, sings, plays and writes poetry and may be another artist for Brother Records."
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Wilson is still talking about Manson a month or so later in another interview that appeared in the July 5, 1969 issue of the Record Mirror.
So it appears there was interest on Wilson's part a few weeks before the murders. If Desper is correct the issue boiled down to getting the Beach Boys to sit down and listen to the tapes and make a decision. That never happened. Given their schedule from May through September 1969 it is really not surprising.
http://esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs69.html
It also doesn't appear that Melcher's primary 'role' focused on Manson's music. By May, Gregg Jakobson had been pushing Manson on Melcher not to record him (initially) but to make a documentary about Manson and the Family. That's why he took Melcher to Spahn. If the Melcher/Jakobson connection was primarily music why not just give Melcher the Wilder tapes and ask him to take a listen? Jakobson believed that a film about Manson would be the avenue to introduce his music? He then thought Melcher would also record Manson. It was, as he has said, a package.
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Q
(Bugliosi). Did you ever want to make a documentary film, on him?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you
discuss your interest in Manson with Terry Melchior [sic]?'
A. Yes.
Q. Did, you
want Melchior to somehow be involved in this project?
A. I did.
Q. In what
fashion?
A. As a
producer, financier.
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Lance Fairweather (Jakobson)
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"I wanted Terry Melcher to meet Charlie and make this film of him. If we could sell the man, his music would emerge, so I wanted some backing for the film.”
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I find it interesting that shortly after these events Robert Hendrickson obtained access to make his documentary, 'Manson'. Perhaps Manson's discussions with Jakobson paved the way for that.
Now, could it be that after the Beach Boys sessions Wilson may have gotten wind of the Bernard Crowe shooting (which leads to Mick Love's fable about an M16)? Yes, it might have happened that way and if it did Wilson and Jakobson may have both quickly distanced themselves from Manson by mid-July.
Lance Fairweather seems to hint that something like that did happen.
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Lance Fairweather (Jakobson)
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"I wanted Terry Melcher to meet Charlie and make this film of him. If we could sell the man, his music would emerge, so I wanted some backing for the film.”
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I find it interesting that shortly after these events Robert Hendrickson obtained access to make his documentary, 'Manson'. Perhaps Manson's discussions with Jakobson paved the way for that.
Now, could it be that after the Beach Boys sessions Wilson may have gotten wind of the Bernard Crowe shooting (which leads to Mick Love's fable about an M16)? Yes, it might have happened that way and if it did Wilson and Jakobson may have both quickly distanced themselves from Manson by mid-July.
Lance Fairweather seems to hint that something like that did happen.
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“Also, he supposedly shot a spade in the stomach in Topanga.
A friend called me up and said, "You know that crazy guy Charlie? He shot
some spade in the stomach, then took his jacket, bent over, kissed his feet and
said, 'I love you, brother.'" And I said, "That sounds like Charlie,
all right.”
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And Jakobson also suggests this may have happened during his interview by Bugliosi February 20, 1970. Jakobson says he heard about the Crowe shooting from 'Bryan Lukas and Dennis [Wilson]' and didn't believe it until they mentioned Charlie kissing 'the guys feet'. Then he believed it was Manson. But again, no timeframe is given.
Cielodrive.com Audio Archives: Gregg Jakobson Interviewed by Deputy District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi 2/20/70, Part 4 at 6:18.
Could Wilson and Jakobson suddenly severing ties with Manson actually be the catalyst for Bugliosi's 'revenge' motive? Maybe.
The problem is: it's the wrong guy.
Bugliosi says the 'target' of the 'revenge' was Melcher.
If Wilson suddenly in mid-July pulled the plug on his relationship with Manson and killed Manson's career why would Manson blame Melcher who simply didn't make an offer back in May? He wouldn't if revenge was his motive. If revenge for a failed musical career was a motive at all the target should have been Wilson or the Beach Boys and Manson knew where Brian Wilson and Dennis Wilson lived. And that might have been a bigger 'Helter Skelter' hit then Cielo.
Alternatively, why not take it out on Jakobson? He recorded Manson extensively in the spring of '69 and arranged the Melcher visits to Spahn and that had gone nowhere. Somehow that particular 'broken promise' didn't seem to bother Manson-at least Dennis got a bullet.
In my opinion the revenge motive never existed. But that is my opinion.
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Postscript: A lot of musicians had contact with Manson 1967-9. One of my favorite bands is Lowell George and Little Feat. And while doing research for this post I found this:
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And Jakobson also suggests this may have happened during his interview by Bugliosi February 20, 1970. Jakobson says he heard about the Crowe shooting from 'Bryan Lukas and Dennis [Wilson]' and didn't believe it until they mentioned Charlie kissing 'the guys feet'. Then he believed it was Manson. But again, no timeframe is given.
Cielodrive.com Audio Archives: Gregg Jakobson Interviewed by Deputy District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi 2/20/70, Part 4 at 6:18.
Could Wilson and Jakobson suddenly severing ties with Manson actually be the catalyst for Bugliosi's 'revenge' motive? Maybe.
The problem is: it's the wrong guy.
Bugliosi says the 'target' of the 'revenge' was Melcher.
If Wilson suddenly in mid-July pulled the plug on his relationship with Manson and killed Manson's career why would Manson blame Melcher who simply didn't make an offer back in May? He wouldn't if revenge was his motive. If revenge for a failed musical career was a motive at all the target should have been Wilson or the Beach Boys and Manson knew where Brian Wilson and Dennis Wilson lived. And that might have been a bigger 'Helter Skelter' hit then Cielo.
Alternatively, why not take it out on Jakobson? He recorded Manson extensively in the spring of '69 and arranged the Melcher visits to Spahn and that had gone nowhere. Somehow that particular 'broken promise' didn't seem to bother Manson-at least Dennis got a bullet.
In my opinion the revenge motive never existed. But that is my opinion.
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Postscript: A lot of musicians had contact with Manson 1967-9. One of my favorite bands is Lowell George and Little Feat. And while doing research for this post I found this:
"You can't look at Little Feat, or any artistic
entity, for that matter, without looking at the time and place in which the
phenomenon occurred. The individuals who would come together to form Little
Feat couldn’t help but be affected by such harrowing events as the recent
murders of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy, the worsening Vietnam
situation, and of course the Manson horrors, which literally struck close to
home.
"The LaBianca murders happened just a half-mile
up from Lowell’s house on Ben Lomond," Payne recalls with a shudder.
"I was sleeping in Lowell’s VW van outside his house at the time, and
although it was like 100 degrees in there, I didn’t dare open the windows, I
was so freaked out. Then, a few months later, up in Isla Vista, some maniac was
hacking people up with an ax, right on the beach where I’d been sleeping. That
was a weird year, 1969."
Van Dyke Parks tells a related story: "I
attempted to write some songs with Lowell, one called ‘Are the Stars Out
Tonight?’ We went to a trailer out in Topanga, a teardrop-shaped thing, ovoid,
like an Airstream. There was a note on the wall: ‘I'll be right back. –
Charlie.’ I said, "Who is that?" He said, ‘Charles Manson.’ And I
said, ‘What are we doing here?’ He said, ‘Oh, no, that was several months
ago.’"
Little Feat/2000/Bud Scoppa/Rhino Records/The
Little Feat Saga
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Postscript #2: In the course of researching this post I tried to run down the gold records Manson 'acquired' from Dennis Wilson. Bugliosi says Wilson gave Manson nine or ten. According to Bugliosi Mrs. Arlene Barker received one of the records. And I found one. What happened to it after any sale, I don't know.
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Postscript #2: In the course of researching this post I tried to run down the gold records Manson 'acquired' from Dennis Wilson. Bugliosi says Wilson gave Manson nine or ten. According to Bugliosi Mrs. Arlene Barker received one of the records. And I found one. What happened to it after any sale, I don't know.
(The Oregonian, February 11, 1986)
Cheryl Spahn died in a terrible car accident in 1991.
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Cheryl Spahn died in a terrible car accident in 1991.
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Dreath