They're all lucky they are still breathing!! Leslie looks a sight better than she did at the last parole hearing (as noted by orwhut above). In fact, I hardly recognised her.
New mugs Ann. Thanks. Yes equinox, she's so different. At least she looks peaceful. Tex is still looking good and healthy. That bastard. And Patricia, she still has something in her eyes... I don't know what it is, sad or tired, or just bitter over the years.
They are extremely lucky to still be breathing and living, instead of having been executed. What I will never be able to figure out is why they were extended the luxuries of having a freakin sex life in PRISON. Ridiculous!! I even heard the women had a swimming pool at their prison. That, to me is mind boggling.
Leslie only wears the bun and granny glasses to the parole hearings so she will look like a sweet old lady. They should shave her head and color in her X for her next hearing.
For their ages and the fact they spent most of their lives in prison, Tex and Leslie look damn good. With Pat's picture, there is a deep unhappiness in her face.
When I was in college I volunteered as part of a sociology class to spend a weekend in jail. It was horrible. I was in 48 hours. To the minute. Let me tell you, the one thing you might not no about jail is that it is insanely boring. There is absolutely nothing to do if you aren't a trustee and have a job. Each hour seemed to last days. The TV's were on B movies. It was the only thing we were allowed to watch. Ever see those guys on the interstate with the orange "Inmate" vests on? I understand why they do it. It helps pass the time with something actually to do.
My point is, that despair you see in PK's eyes to me rings of 46 years of boredom. She doesn't get to train dogs all the time I'm sure. I guarantee like most inmates her time is mostly spent doing nothing. It's a life wasted and she knows it. She's intelligent and remorseful which must make it even worse.
If you think prison isn't real punishment, think again.
They haven't had conjugal visitation rights in ages, so why harp on it? Doris Tate won. Unfortunately her lobbying also resulted in the loss of family visits for all lifers in California as well. Because if you take away one man's rights, you have to take away the rights of all others. Unless you're Charles Manson of course.
This shouldn't even be a conversation. Their current pics should be of the fillings sifted from their ashes. Boots, you're cracking me up!!! Literally laughed out loud...
I agree Tex looks like Ron Perlman somewhat. Suze thanks for reminding us that jail is not fun. I think jail should primarily protect the public, and I wish, to the extent possible, that inmates were given the opportunity for a meaningful existence.
Suze's account was really interesting. I've never been to prison & so alla my knowledge comes from book learnin', but I've often suspected what she found out to be true and that that (boredom) is the reason why so many prisoners either get heavily into weights & exercise, or start taking up reading or educational classes. Something to DO. Oswald Mosley when he was interned during the war used the opportunity to read the entire works of Gauthe and Nietzsche, for instance, and we've seen plenty of other examples here with people like (I think) Pat getting involved in electronics courses. What really surprises me is that Charlie hasn't got more buff since he got inside, I guess he's found other ways to pass the time...
When one of those huge bios was on the blog a while back a few people were talking about how gross they thought it was that one of those prisons I think Pat was in had a pool for prisoners to do laps & acquarobics in. I dunno, to me that didn't seem like a luxury, more a sign of how prisons were more humane institutions in the 70s & early 80s before privatisation & the War on Drugs sapped out funds and spiked up inmate populations. People often bitch over here about prisoners being able to 'earn' Foxtel (cable) and even XBoxes for the TVs they can get in their cells (also 'earnt', I think). I do have a problem with that, though. Pools can be public facilities which are cheap (or in some places free), you can mesh that concept with a prison especially as they have a therapeutic/rehab aspect to them. XBoxes & Foxtel are a total luxury which many non-crime-comittin', wage-earnin', non-prison-livin' people can't afford, that DOES grind my gears. If I found out Tex not only shaved his mustache, but also got an Xbox so he could play GTA (although getting a PC so he could play 'Captain Bible in the Dome of Darkness' is more likely, I guess) I'd be bustin' out the angry emails again.
CLUE: "I don't mind the CELL, my best friend is in there...ME !" Charles Manson
AND if you were to write an entire BOOK about the MANSON mystique - most of it would ONLY be "filler" compared to that quote.
A few months ago I had a discussion with an older black man about the "Cops killing Blacks epidemic" and he said. My daddy always told me "Adversity will make you STRONGER."
The first night I filmed the Manson Family in the Gypsy wagon, at one point, they went into this lengthy discussion about how "society" gave the word "selfish" a dirty, nasty meaning - when all it should mean is that you care about yourself. With that talk, I realized I was on to something important.
BUT Charles Manson is OUR adversary, so how can WE learn anything from HIM -an adversary ?
Because it is very hard to learn anything NEW from those we already AGREE with - but adversaries, by inherent nature, have something NEW to say WE are NOT already aware of.
YES, the Gypsy wagon is where we filmed much that night and in Manson Gang you can see the exterior with Jaun and Johnny peeking out the window.
I'm sure Manson taught his Family info from other scources - that's what WE as humans do.
BUT C. Manson also learned how to "pick" the brains of others very effectively. In fact - that HE would THINK the Beatles were speaking to HIM actually makes sense. "Everyone" was speaking to HIM.
Of course, that also explains how HE was able to "read" people within about a doezen spoken words.
No matter how hard YOU try NOT to reveal yourself, your words always give YOU away.
It's kind'a like the drunk trying to act sober - the more HE trys - the more HE appears DRUNK.
Personnaly, I heard ALL of the possible "motives" within about a month of filming, BUT to me they were insignificant - it was the way the Family THOUGHT that intriqued ME - even to this day.
That's very interesting Mr. Pistols: WHY did RUDY even sue the TATE family ?
Thay had NO liability. Sharon was over 18 years old.
ONLY Roman Polanski (lessee) and The Manson Family defendants that actually DID the massacre had any legal liability for damages to the "house."
Don't hesitate to chime in Matt - cause you would think RUDY, at least, had the brains to go after the Manson killers for any $$$ that might come later.
The REAL question here might be: WHO was the actual lessee of the TATE house ?
You can't inherit debt. But the estate must settle all debts prior to paying out any proceeds. So RA sued everyone in sight to get a judgment that could be levied at Sharon's estate. He got a little $, but suing for a quarter mil? C'mon man!
Yer right, a shrewder move would have been to get judgments against all the murderers, but Rudy let Voy's kin get that one.
Also, I seem to remember that RP and Sharon assumed Melcher's (with Mark Lindsey still on there?) lease and were negotiating with Altobelli to get an extension and/or a re-write. That may be wrong, otherwise Melcher would have been named in RA's lawsuit.
"A few months ago I had a discussion with an older black man about the "Cops killing Blacks epidemic" and he said. My daddy always told me "Adversity will make you STRONGER.""
I've watched, seen and read about too many people collapsing under the weight of adversity to take that absolutely. But I personally agree with it. I'd go one stage further and add that after the initial response, one should be actively working out how to use the adversity for one's benefit. Hassle is like a set of good weights for the soul.
Robert Hendrickson said...
"The first night I filmed the Manson Family in the Gypsy wagon, at one point, they went into this lengthy discussion about how "society" gave the word "selfish" a dirty, nasty meaning - when all it should mean is that you care about yourself"
'Selfish' has the connotations it does because it means only thinking of yourself and gearing every action towards you. But the concept of loving and caring about yourself isn't negative at all. When Christ made the point that the most important command from God was to love God with everything you've got and that the second most important one was like it, to love everyone else like you love yourself, he was saying something pretty deep ~ real loving begins with loving yourself. If you love yourself and by extension care about yourself, you should treat others the right way because you'll treat them like you.
Robert Hendrickson said...
"Because it is very hard to learn anything NEW from those we already AGREE with - but adversaries, by inherent nature, have something NEW to say WE are NOT already aware of"
I find that it depends on the depth of that one that you already agree with. For me that statement runs both ways with those I already agree with and those that I don't. I think that's partly because as varied as different people and our experiences and thoughts throughout history have been, there's still a common thread that connects people.
Robert Hendrickson said...
"In fact - that HE would THINK the Beatles were speaking to HIM actually makes sense"
I've long felt that for all the 60s reading stuff into everything rock stars said in their songs, that it made perfect sense. It still does to me. And the writers themselves weren't writing for the sake of spinning words. Many of them were writing for their constituency and quite deliberately so. It was actually only because a number of them were called out for influencing the actions of younger people that many of them came out and said "no, no, we didn't mean this or that !" But they were talking to people all over the world because in interviews alone, they realized that people were listening...
Robert Hendrickson said... "No matter how hard YOU try NOT to reveal yourself, your words always give YOU away"
Back in the 80s my mate started to say "speech is self revealing." I've long used that one, I always liked it. I agreed with him ! Some of the time.
"Let me tell you, the one thing you might not no about jail is that it is insanely boring. There is absolutely nothing to do if you aren't a trustee and have a job. Each hour seemed to last days...."
We naturally get angry about those in prison and when we hear of the supposed creature comforts that they have, because most of us work or study and don't always have access to those things that they apparently do, we feel like they aren't being punished enough. But Suze is right. It's boring. Even supposing they had colour 50 inch screen TVs and Xbox ones, even those things become utterly monotonous when you're confronted with them day in and day out with no variation. And as for telly, I often jest that British daytime TV is punishment enough !
Suze said...
"I guarantee like most inmates her time is mostly spent doing nothing"
Pat has probably been more productive in her life in jail than many of us will ever be. But.....this has been spread out over more than 45 years. When put into the ocean of at least 16,801 days of incarceration, there's probably been a lot of nothingness. She says as much; it was actually being faced with so much time to do nothing that she began to re~evaluate her life and realize just what she'd done.
Suze said...
"It's a life wasted and she knows it. She's intelligent and remorseful which must make it even worse"
Yeah. She was a smart cookie before hooking up with Charlie and what she has achieved in prison only goes to emphasize on one level what a wasted life it's been. Her best years..... On the other hand, Karlene Faith observed that her death sentence was a horror but arguably a life sentence, especially when she'd been ready to die, was worse. I know many people will rail at that and I can see why, but I understand what Faith was getting at. At the risk of incurring the wrath of many, a life sentence in prison is not necessarily easier to deal with and indeed may be a lot harder.
Suze said...
"If you think prison isn't real punishment, think again"
Here in England there has been an increasing escalation of the "lock'em up and throw away the key" way of thinking and anyone that disagrees with that as an absolute is painted as being soft on crime and a "do gooder" {a term used regularly with the utmost contempt}. It's partly a reaction to the 60s and 70s "loosening of morals in Britain" and the prison reform movements were seen as part of that. I've had a number of friends in prison and worked with too many kids that ended up there and I've yet to glean from anyone that it's something that they'd readily do again, even those that didn't take it seriously. I'll always remember one who, when I asked him if it was as easy as the press make out, told me that many of the guys put on bravado in jail. But when you're lying on your bed at night, hungry because that evening's meal was inedible pig swill and bored of pool & endless games of cards, with the smell of your own shit and your cell mate's urine to decorate the surroundings, that's when a person is forced to be honest with themselves.... I suspect that many of us that are contemptuous of the notion that having your freedom taken from you is real punishment may be so because we've never had it taken away from us and forced into prison regulations. I for one would not want to be anywhere near one and I strive very hard to instill in my children a healthy fear of the place. No, make that a healthy terror !
Also, I seem to remember that RP and Sharon assumed Melcher's (with Mark Lindsey still on there?) lease and were negotiating with Altobelli to get an extension and/or a re-write. That may be wrong, otherwise Melcher would have been named in RA's lawsuit.
I have a copy of the lease they signed. Sharon and Roman also listed Gene Gutowski as a tenant on the lease. In the lease, there was a clause saying that they had to obtain 100k worth of liability insurance against damage to the property and contents, within 30 days of occupancy. They never did so.
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Ann, I was thinking Watson looked a lot like Ron Perlman, Hellboy
Harrison Ford.
Leslie looks good to me. This supports my theory that she let he appearence go for a recent parole hearing, to gain sympathy.
man Tex looks pretty fit and healthy. I'd never guess he'll be 70 next birthday
They're all lucky they are still breathing!! Leslie looks a sight better than she did at the last parole hearing (as noted by orwhut above). In fact, I hardly recognised her.
New mugs Ann. Thanks.
Yes equinox, she's so different. At least she looks peaceful.
Tex is still looking good and healthy. That bastard.
And Patricia, she still has something in her eyes... I don't know what it is, sad or tired, or just bitter over the years.
They are extremely lucky to still be breathing and living, instead of having been executed. What I will never be able to figure out is why they were extended the luxuries of having a freakin sex life in PRISON. Ridiculous!! I even heard the women had a swimming pool at their prison. That, to me is mind boggling.
CrisPOA,
Yes, I know we shouldn't judge people by how they look, but Pat always strikes me as being potentially aggressive.
Sorry Ann, TEX being "lucky" is a delusion - Jesus "saved" HIM.
Of course, you could also say: "Keeping TEX down here - keeps him OUT of heaven."
No, I disagree Mr. H. I think Tex has been incredibly lucky.
Leslie only wears the bun and granny glasses to the parole hearings so she will look like a sweet old lady. They should shave her head and color in her X for her next hearing.
Patricia looks sad. Maybe her girlfriend dumped her because of her big ears and excessive body hair.
What happened to Tex's cheesy moustache? Did he finally realize it made him look like a gay porn star.
For their ages and the fact they spent most of their lives in prison, Tex and Leslie look damn good. With Pat's picture, there is a deep unhappiness in her face.
When I was in college I volunteered as part of a sociology class to spend a weekend in jail. It was horrible. I was in 48 hours. To the minute. Let me tell you, the one thing you might not no about jail is that it is insanely boring. There is absolutely nothing to do if you aren't a trustee and have a job. Each hour seemed to last days. The TV's were on B movies. It was the only thing we were allowed to watch. Ever see those guys on the interstate with the orange "Inmate" vests on? I understand why they do it. It helps pass the time with something actually to do.
My point is, that despair you see in PK's eyes to me rings of 46 years of boredom. She doesn't get to train dogs all the time I'm sure. I guarantee like most inmates her time is mostly spent doing nothing. It's a life wasted and she knows it. She's intelligent and remorseful which must make it even worse.
If you think prison isn't real punishment, think again.
They haven't had conjugal visitation rights in ages, so why harp on it? Doris Tate won. Unfortunately her lobbying also resulted in the loss of family visits for all lifers in California as well. Because if you take away one man's rights, you have to take away the rights of all others. Unless you're Charles Manson of course.
Cielo, that was hysterical. Ron Perlman. I appreciate the laugh!
Pat looks so sad. Leslie, I am wondering if she had some sort of stroke (her eye).
You know what, D. LaCalandra, I am very familiar with your pro-Manson Family point of views. I respect them. Please respect mine.
This shouldn't even be a conversation. Their current pics should be of the fillings sifted from their ashes. Boots, you're cracking me up!!! Literally laughed out loud...
People say Manson's face changes a lot. Leslie seems to be the one.
I don't have any Pro-Manson Family point of views. I don't even believe in the term. I don't even think in that dualist way of "pro" and "con".
I agree Tex looks like Ron Perlman somewhat.
Suze thanks for reminding us that jail is not fun.
I think jail should primarily protect the public,
and I wish, to the extent possible, that inmates
were given the opportunity for a meaningful
existence.
Suze's account was really interesting. I've never been to prison & so alla my knowledge comes from book learnin', but I've often suspected what she found out to be true and that that (boredom) is the reason why so many prisoners either get heavily into weights & exercise, or start taking up reading or educational classes. Something to DO. Oswald Mosley when he was interned during the war used the opportunity to read the entire works of Gauthe and Nietzsche, for instance, and we've seen plenty of other examples here with people like (I think) Pat getting involved in electronics courses. What really surprises me is that Charlie hasn't got more buff since he got inside, I guess he's found other ways to pass the time...
When one of those huge bios was on the blog a while back a few people were talking about how gross they thought it was that one of those prisons I think Pat was in had a pool for prisoners to do laps & acquarobics in. I dunno, to me that didn't seem like a luxury, more a sign of how prisons were more humane institutions in the 70s & early 80s before privatisation & the War on Drugs sapped out funds and spiked up inmate populations. People often bitch over here about prisoners being able to 'earn' Foxtel (cable) and even XBoxes for the TVs they can get in their cells (also 'earnt', I think). I do have a problem with that, though. Pools can be public facilities which are cheap (or in some places free), you can mesh that concept with a prison especially as they have a therapeutic/rehab aspect to them. XBoxes & Foxtel are a total luxury which many non-crime-comittin', wage-earnin', non-prison-livin' people can't afford, that DOES grind my gears. If I found out Tex not only shaved his mustache, but also got an Xbox so he could play GTA (although getting a PC so he could play 'Captain Bible in the Dome of Darkness' is more likely, I guess) I'd be bustin' out the angry emails again.
/end of the non-Manson-related rant, carry on
Krenwinkel looks like the dad from the TV show "Little People, Big World".
"I don't mind the cell, my best friend is in there...me."
CM
CLUE: "I don't mind the CELL, my best friend is in there...ME !"
Charles Manson
AND if you were to write an entire BOOK about the MANSON mystique - most of it would ONLY be "filler" compared to that quote.
A few months ago I had a discussion with an older black man about the "Cops killing Blacks epidemic" and he said. My daddy always told me "Adversity will make you STRONGER."
The first night I filmed the Manson Family in the Gypsy wagon, at one point, they went into this lengthy discussion about how "society" gave the word "selfish" a dirty, nasty meaning - when all it should mean is that you care about yourself. With that talk, I realized I was on to something important.
BUT Charles Manson is OUR adversary, so how can WE learn anything from HIM -an adversary ?
Because it is very hard to learn anything NEW from those we already AGREE with - but adversaries, by inherent nature, have something NEW to say WE are NOT already aware of.
good one Ziggy
RH what was the Gypsy wagon? Was that where they were eating and playing guitar/singing with little Paul? A big vehicle?
@Robert Hendrickson,
Mr H,
18th century Scottish economist, Adam Smith, beat the Family to it with his self help ideas in 'The Wealth of Nations'.
YES, the Gypsy wagon is where we filmed much that night and in Manson Gang you can see the exterior with Jaun and Johnny peeking out the window.
I'm sure Manson taught his Family info from other scources - that's what WE as humans do.
BUT C. Manson also learned how to "pick" the brains of others very effectively. In fact - that HE would THINK the Beatles were speaking to HIM actually makes sense. "Everyone" was speaking to HIM.
Of course, that also explains how HE was able to "read" people within about a doezen spoken words.
No matter how hard YOU try NOT to reveal yourself, your words always give YOU away.
It's kind'a like the drunk trying to act sober - the more HE trys - the more HE appears DRUNK.
Personnaly, I heard ALL of the possible "motives" within about a month of filming, BUT to me they were insignificant - it was the way the Family THOUGHT that intriqued ME - even to this day.
thanks RH
That's very interesting Mr. Pistols: WHY did RUDY even sue the TATE family ?
Thay had NO liability. Sharon was over 18 years old.
ONLY Roman Polanski (lessee) and The Manson Family defendants that actually DID the massacre had any legal liability for damages to the "house."
Don't hesitate to chime in Matt - cause you would think RUDY, at least, had the brains to go after the Manson killers for any $$$ that might come later.
The REAL question here might be: WHO was the actual lessee of the TATE house ?
You can't inherit debt. But the estate must settle all debts prior to paying out any proceeds. So RA sued everyone in sight to get a judgment that could be levied at Sharon's estate. He got a little $, but suing for a quarter mil? C'mon man!
Yer right, a shrewder move would have been to get judgments against all the murderers, but Rudy let Voy's kin get that one.
Also, I seem to remember that RP and Sharon assumed Melcher's (with Mark Lindsey still on there?) lease and were negotiating with Altobelli to get an extension and/or a re-write. That may be wrong, otherwise Melcher would have been named in RA's lawsuit.
Robert Hendrickson said...
"A few months ago I had a discussion with an older black man about the "Cops killing Blacks epidemic" and he said. My daddy always told me "Adversity will make you STRONGER.""
I've watched, seen and read about too many people collapsing under the weight of adversity to take that absolutely.
But I personally agree with it. I'd go one stage further and add that after the initial response, one should be actively working out how to use the adversity for one's benefit. Hassle is like a set of good weights for the soul.
Robert Hendrickson said...
"The first night I filmed the Manson Family in the Gypsy wagon, at one point, they went into this lengthy discussion about how "society" gave the word "selfish" a dirty, nasty meaning - when all it should mean is that you care about yourself"
'Selfish' has the connotations it does because it means only thinking of yourself and gearing every action towards you. But the concept of loving and caring about yourself isn't negative at all. When Christ made the point that the most important command from God was to love God with everything you've got and that the second most important one was like it, to love everyone else like you love yourself, he was saying something pretty deep ~ real loving begins with loving yourself. If you love yourself and by extension care about yourself, you should treat others the right way because you'll treat them like you.
Robert Hendrickson said...
"Because it is very hard to learn anything NEW from those we already AGREE with - but adversaries, by inherent nature, have something NEW to say WE are NOT already aware of"
I find that it depends on the depth of that one that you already agree with. For me that statement runs both ways with those I already agree with and those that I don't. I think that's partly because as varied as different people and our experiences and thoughts throughout history have been, there's still a common thread that connects people.
Robert Hendrickson said...
"In fact - that HE would THINK the Beatles were speaking to HIM actually makes sense"
I've long felt that for all the 60s reading stuff into everything rock stars said in their songs, that it made perfect sense. It still does to me. And the writers themselves weren't writing for the sake of spinning words. Many of them were writing for their constituency and quite deliberately so. It was actually only because a number of them were called out for influencing the actions of younger people that many of them came out and said "no, no, we didn't mean this or that !"
But they were talking to people all over the world because in interviews alone, they realized that people were listening...
Robert Hendrickson said...
"No matter how hard YOU try NOT to reveal yourself, your words always give YOU away"
Back in the 80s my mate started to say "speech is self revealing." I've long used that one, I always liked it. I agreed with him !
Some of the time.
Suze said...
"Let me tell you, the one thing you might not no about jail is that it is insanely boring. There is absolutely nothing to do if you aren't a trustee and have a job. Each hour seemed to last days...."
We naturally get angry about those in prison and when we hear of the supposed creature comforts that they have, because most of us work or study and don't always have access to those things that they apparently do, we feel like they aren't being punished enough.
But Suze is right. It's boring. Even supposing they had colour 50 inch screen TVs and Xbox ones, even those things become utterly monotonous when you're confronted with them day in and day out with no variation. And as for telly, I often jest that British daytime TV is punishment enough !
Suze said...
"I guarantee like most inmates her time is mostly spent doing nothing"
Pat has probably been more productive in her life in jail than many of us will ever be.
But.....this has been spread out over more than 45 years. When put into the ocean of at least 16,801 days of incarceration, there's probably been a lot of nothingness. She says as much; it was actually being faced with so much time to do nothing that she began to re~evaluate her life and realize just what she'd done.
Suze said...
"It's a life wasted and she knows it. She's intelligent and remorseful which must make it even worse"
Yeah. She was a smart cookie before hooking up with Charlie and what she has achieved in prison only goes to emphasize on one level what a wasted life it's been. Her best years.....
On the other hand, Karlene Faith observed that her death sentence was a horror but arguably a life sentence, especially when she'd been ready to die, was worse. I know many people will rail at that and I can see why, but I understand what Faith was getting at.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of many, a life sentence in prison is not necessarily easier to deal with and indeed may be a lot harder.
Suze said...
"If you think prison isn't real punishment, think again"
Here in England there has been an increasing escalation of the "lock'em up and throw away the key" way of thinking and anyone that disagrees with that as an absolute is painted as being soft on crime and a "do gooder" {a term used regularly with the utmost contempt}.
It's partly a reaction to the 60s and 70s "loosening of morals in Britain" and the prison reform movements were seen as part of that.
I've had a number of friends in prison and worked with too many kids that ended up there and I've yet to glean from anyone that it's something that they'd readily do again, even those that didn't take it seriously. I'll always remember one who, when I asked him if it was as easy as the press make out, told me that many of the guys put on bravado in jail. But when you're lying on your bed at night, hungry because that evening's meal was inedible pig swill and bored of pool & endless games of cards, with the smell of your own shit and your cell mate's urine to decorate the surroundings, that's when a person is forced to be honest with themselves....
I suspect that many of us that are contemptuous of the notion that having your freedom taken from you is real punishment may be so because we've never had it taken away from us and forced into prison regulations. I for one would not want to be anywhere near one and I strive very hard to instill in my children a healthy fear of the place. No, make that a healthy terror !
Shorty's pistolsAugust 6, 2015 at 5:06 AM
Also, I seem to remember that RP and Sharon assumed Melcher's (with Mark Lindsey still on there?) lease and were negotiating with Altobelli to get an extension and/or a re-write. That may be wrong, otherwise Melcher would have been named in RA's lawsuit.
I have a copy of the lease they signed. Sharon and Roman also listed Gene Gutowski as a tenant on the lease. In the lease, there was a clause saying that they had to obtain 100k worth of liability insurance against damage to the property and contents, within 30 days of occupancy. They never did so.
Lmao....Boots your comments cracked me up. Love it. !
OMG!!! I almost spit out my drink when I read this.....
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