Back in the day this was posted on Bill Nelson's
(now defunct) website "mansonmurders.com".
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I have just been to your website and read the page about me. I wanted to write and express my feelings on this matter. I would also like for you to publish this letter on your website as a sort of "my story" type of thing. I realize it is your website and you are free to publish whatever you want. I also would like to thank you for not releasing any information that you have about me.
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I have been living a quiet life for the past 30 years. I have been blessed well beyond what I have deserved. I have a great husband who I adore, a job I love, and sons who are my whole being. But there have been many tragedies along the way. I am not trying to make anyone feel sorry for me, I am merely trying to "set the stage" for what has become of my life.
I received my first email from Bill back in July. I admit that it hit me out of the blue. I had seen his website and had also seen him interviewed on television. I didn't know what to expect. I hadn't talked about those years of my life for a long, long time. Indeed, my own children don't know my history. I have been up front with them about the drug use and basically told them I lived in a "commune". They have no idea I was with Manson.
I tried to explain to Bill my reluctance to "speak out" because it had been so long. I have been living quietly with this for almost thirty years. Old habits are hard to break. For a moment put yourself in my shoes. Have you ever tried to explain to a plastic surgeon why you have an ‘X' on your forehead in the first place? I have had all these feelings bottled up tight for many years. I have been to professional counseling for years. I can't talk to my friends about it. Real friends will understand? Wrong! I know from firsthand experience that is not the case. I have tried "opening up" before and have had people (special people) walk out of my life because of it. Welcome to my life.
I told Bill this story. I live in a VERY small town. One cold night, I couldn't sleep. I flipped on the TV and there happened to be a Sharon Tate movie (DON'T MAKE WAVES) showing. I cried the rest of the night. I think about it all the time. Not a day goes by when I don't think back wishing the whole thing was some awful dream. But it wasn't a dream. I know that. I can't change it, although I would if I could.
Barbara Hoyt. I think about her and wish that there was something I could do to ease her pain. What I did was despicable. I am ashamed. But again, I can't take back something I did 30 years ago. The reason I never apologized to Barbara through email to Bill is quite simple. I can't fully express my feelings in words. I feel it is something that needs to be done face to face. At this time however, Bill has told me that Barbara doesn't want some type of overly emotional reunion to be blasted all over the talk shows. I feel the same way. Like I said, I think about Barbara on a daily basis. What happened with her has kept me up nights for 30 years thinking about what could have been a very tragic outcome. I am truly sorry.
After reading Bill's website update about me, I felt compelled to give my side of the story. Bill has been getting a bad rap on the message boards and I probably shouldn't have "popped off" the way I did. As far as I know, he hasn't spilled any information about me. Basically, everything happened too fast for me. Much too fast. I wanted to set the record straight and give insight into my decision to do what I did.
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OK Bill. What do you think? Can you publish that letter in full? I picked up the ball in my court and have passed it to you.
Ruth
86 comments:
Wow. The difference in mentality between this letter and Watson's emotionally detached, amoral, self-justifying rambling in his 'movie review' is just night and day.
There's such a great difference between her "What I did was terrible and I am truly sorry" and Watson's "Some murders happened when I was high and it was someone else's fault, so everyone should forgive me like Jesus has."
Good for her.
I hope I don't offend anyone by asking this- I remember Nelson's website and this correspondence with Ruth M. I thought it later came out that it wasn't her at all but someone pulling a fast one on Nelson. Maybe I am thinking of another " family" member who did this to him. Anyone know? Again- no offense meant just curious.
Yes I recall that too. It appears this case attract lots of chameleons and fuck Tex.
Wow I've never seen this. It's very cool if it's really her.
Krissy, I have no idea if Ruth actually wrote the email or not so to be safe I just presented it as something that appeared on his website (which it did). If someone can show it was a fake we'd be just as pleased as if it was proved authentic.
I believe if someone wanted to make the argument that Ruth Ann was the prettiest girl of the bunch they should use this photo to do so! And if it was her who wrote that letter I'm glad she's got a good life.
Look at the stuff written here "carefully." It mostly all deals with possible fakery.
From - Is it really Ruth Ann to Tex and HIS Jesus thing to the very NAMES we use, instead of our "real" names. BUT what is "really" our REAL names?
What exactly is REAL anymore?
The "information" on the internet - that the government created for US? Do you know which websites are actually "government" supported ? Which websites, that seek donations, are really "terrorist" fronts?
Think about it, the US government has created a "monster" BUT why ?
When I first read this, the first glaring error I noticed was the number of children. "She" mentions her sons but not her daughter. The daughter is older than the boys.
Ruth was hot
Tex is a shit stain
Regret is something I find so much easier to accept than ostentatious repentance.
Don't tell me you're a shiny new creation in Christ, just tell me you're sorry. Or tell me you're not sorry. I can respect the honesty of either. But don't tell me you had a quick shower in Jesus Juice and erased everything you've done, replaced a killer with the lobotomised holy smile in a hundred photos, or a painting of harmless, brainless kittens.
Even if it wasn't Ruth Ann who wrote it, it's more genuine and human than anything the mass-murdering wig salesman wrote.
Ruth Ann was cuter than a speckled puppy.
What are the chances that Ruth would "open up" to Nelson while not even telling her own family who she is?
God I feel old
This was not Ruth Ann, just another stupid troll that the child molesting fucker fell for.
Remember Colonel that Nelson's website didn't have a comments section, so all of his posts came from e-mail. Stupid troll is kinda harsh, fucking with Nelson was more than just sport.
Yeah Bill Nelson was strange. His book on Tex was ridiculous. He makes like he's going to uncover a great story on Tex and then nothing, just bad bad bad writing. Apparently he did lots of great research so why didn't he reveal any of it?
Person unable to pick appropriate handle- a troll does it for lulz. I used to troll Nelson back in the day not as Ruthann but it was easy because he was such a tool. I did it as. Col. Scott
Humpy- his research revealed that the killer of eight people was having children imprisoned on the public time which is a pretty big deal
Humph, hiding in the shrubbery with a telephoto lens is not research.
I tried to get a handle, but the software insists I am 58.
I thought his children were already known about. I thought the only thing Nelson was attempting to prove in a very cursory way was that the money he was raising for his ministry was really just supporting his wife. He didn't do a very complete job of proving that either.
And one of the strangest things about the book was pages and pages of court transcript, much of it completely unnecessary to the point being made.
My theory on Nelson is that he found out a fake murderous christian, so that in his mind his fake christian debauchery didn't seem so bad. He found the one christian who was worse than himself and decided to make a living off of it.
Matt could the daughter have been old enough that only her boys remained at home? I didn't know anything about her children. If it were a faker and he knew she had sons and a daughter, wouldn't he be careful to include the detail of the daughter too to seem authentic? To me it seems possibly authentic in that she talks about the feelings but doesn't get into details much. But I don't know.
Hump, that would be easier to answer if I knew the date of the email. If you figure it out, I'll let you know.
Col Scott is back and we're gonna be in trouble, due-run, de-run, de run.
Welcome Back Col. I was beginning to think you had graduated from "MANSON think" REHAB.!!!
Thank God - It's NOW covered under Obamacare.
My guess is it's not her. It is a rather shallow letter. She could use this letter that was going to published in his blog to say her thing about life in Spahn's or the murders, or what she knows. But she didn't. She said later on the letter she wanted to set the record straight but the feeling you get is...what news? What did she say that we don't know or wouldn't presume? And that ball thing...was it a game?
And i don't see much difference between this letter and Tex's account. He at least tried to "draw" the scenery. And fake or not, he said he was sorry and regreted it all.
She added nothing.
Sweet Jesus Christ. Why guess? It was a prank. Going back to the Ronson board someone always impersonates Ouisch. Always.
Hey Folks, it's an easy one - Nelson wrote the letter !
It's kinda like the guy who decided to become a "carpenter" in a land where NO trees, except palm trees, grew.
Well Dah !
That letter from "Ouisch" isn't a great bit of writing. My guess would be that Nelly had somebody else craft it. Even plain writing was a little beyond Nelly's range.
On the Ruth Ann front, there is some stories kicking around that are interesting. On the Backporch Tapes there are some things from Manson that I wonder about. Manson suggests that Ruth Ann was a Native American girl who was adopted by Dean Morehouse. That makes some sense in several areas. Ruth is dark complected and looks like she has some Amerind in her genes. She doesn't look much like Dean. It would also be right in that old perv's MO to try and adopt a young girl for his family and other things.
ColScott stop blasfeming...hehehe...i see a little Christofobia running on this blog. Well it's allright i am a bit Islamofobic myself ;)
It's not Christophobic to despise religious phonies and fakes. I believe Christ himself could spot them a mile away.
Hump, never mind. I don't know what I wasn't thinking. The writer says "I have been living a quiet life for the past 30 years.", so, her daughter would have been 25+ years old depending upon when the quiet life is presumed to begin. So, it's quite feasible why "she" leave her out of that statement.
Shorty's Pistols,
This is fascinating. Is the tape you mentioned titled. Charles Manson Talks About Ruth Ann Moorehouse 04/23/11?
Does Charlie mention Ruth Ann being Native American in any other tapes? I'm curious as to whether he has anything other than a hunch to support his assumption.
Ruth Ann is definitely the missing link as far as her post-family life. I've heard about her emails and posting on boards under a name that I now forget... something with a hawk or eagle... some bird
I swear to God we are down the Rabbit hole.
It is NOT by Ouisch. It is not by Nelson. It was from a troll
Orwhut, Yes that is the tape I mentioned.
Linky...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD3ZilVGDFM
I've only heard mention of Ruth being an adopted orphan in this audio cut. I know of no corroboration of it, so it has to go as just a statement. An interesting statement, but it stands by itself as far as I know.
Col Scott is sure it was a troll and he's got years of experience with all this but from just reading the letter I would conclude it's either her or Nelson now that others mention that option because it states he emailed her and she's responding to him through email, so how could a troll know he'd emailed her. And if he really had located her then heard back from the same address.....
By the way I can't resist adding a plug for the best-worst movie ever Troll 2 and the documentry made about called The Best Worst Movie ever. If you haven't seen it please you must not deny yourself any longer.
My favorite part is the compassion Ruth shows for Nelson: "Bill has been getting a bad rap on the message boards and I probably shouldn't have "popped off" the way I did."
"Bill, I know you feel compelled to stalk children in the name of Jesus, but thanks for not releasing your research on my sons"
Humph, I was there too, this is fake.
Shorty's pistols,
Thank you. Ruth Ann looks to me like she might have some Amerindian heritage as well. There must be some basis for what Charlie said. He sounded kind of goofie in the clip though ...
In the Back Porch Tape interview where Charlie mentions having seen Ruth Ann at a wedding he might have answered the question concerning who he calls when he gets his hands on a cell phone. Maybe he surfs this blog for info on his family.
FAKE - To be a "fake" or NOT to be a "fake." Could be the most important decision one makes in a lifetime.
Just ask Brian Williams, Lance Armstrong, Bill Clinton, "Rambo" Stallone. Rush Limbough, and the list goes on and on.
BUT why - WHY do THEY need to deceive by pretending to be something SPECIAL ? Are they simply afflicted with the same disease TROLLS carry? Did the other kids ignore them or were THEY the last kids to be picked to be on the team ?
Were THEY "bullied" and too weak to fight back ? The answer therein may provide some ANSWERS.
Thanks 58.
One more time.
We hold these truths to be self evident.
Ouisch has never surfaced even when her molesting father died a few years back.
White Rabbit was pulling Nelson's dick and was mentally retarded.
There are no other bodies buried at Spahn.
Steven Parent was gay.
Charlie never murdered nobody.
Nelson didn't write the letter, fool, it was grammatically correct.
Sandy and her BF outed Nellie's conviction for underage rubbings.
Debra was not a Tate.
I mean you can discuss and argue this shit all you want or just accept the reality as the Col tells it to you.
Clark Ronson was the grandaddy of all the boards and HE pretended to be Ouisch first. He also pretended to be others.
Humph, you just don't realize how stupid Nelson was. Here's how it works: Be "friendly" with Bill in e-mail for a while, then mention you know Ruth's e-mail but not sure if it's a good idea to give it to him, but then decide to give him the e-mail address for the greater good.
Joseph Esposito - You're right too! Jesus said: "never call a a priest Father" Nor shall you call anyone Rabbi
Jesus does not mention priests in Matthew 23:9, and neither does he say no-one is to call a Rabbi a Rabbi. Dangerous to put words in his mouth. Throughout those passages Jesus attacks the hypocrisy and arrogance of misused authority, not the role of priesthood per se. You seem to be re-writing the text with a modern sectarian sledgehammer.
Also, like all prophets, Jesus is not averse to hyperbole. After all, he cannot really have wanted all his followers to be blind amputees, and yet he tells them that if their hands cause them to sin, to cut them off; if their eyes cause them to sin, pluck them out. He doesn't mean that literally. He's not some Islamic State-type nutcase; he uses rhetoric, extreme rhetoric, to make rhetorical points.
And yes, back on topic - Ruth Ann was by far the hottest Manson girl.
If she has dropped so far off the radar, does anyone know for certain she's alive?
Michael just made me think: Did ANYTHING the "prophet" Jesus say ever cone TRUE ?
Did HE predict the Muslim / Christian FINAL Conflict like the Nation of Islam did ?
Did HE predict Islam would RISE up like Sandra Good did ?
Did HE predict a BLACK "retaliation" like Steve Grogan did ?
Did HE even predict the word "priest" would become inter-changeable with child molester ?
OR that HIS name would eventually be used to promote BIG $$$ business.
Col Scott I didn't know about Sandy and BF outing Nelson. Nor have I heard Debra was not a Tate. Where can I read about these things? Thanks.
58 I hadn't thought about that, that would explain how Nelson could be fooled. And I did notice he was dumb from reading his book.
Robert H.-I believe the word prophet doesn't just refer to predicting things but to something more akin to being a revealer of truth or something along those lines.
Ruth Ann should have won the Miss White Album beauty contest but was disqualified for not going in the dumpster one time.
...and for failing her hand signals merit badge.
Hump, if you'd like to read up on the Good/Nelson connection, CLICK HERE
I see Humphrat, BUT in all of "Webster's" written definitions for PROPHET, the word "truth" / is never mentioned.
Maybe Michael got the spelling mixed-up with "profit." The Pope obviously gets the two intermingled quite often. Michael ????
Thanks Matt, that's the page I had just read earlier. Thank you. Well I Sandy did something Good besides saving the Amazon rain forest.
OK Robert, but it says they claim to have a connection with the almighty and are revealing the message from them and it's not necessarily about predicting the future profits of the vatican.
Colonel, one correction regarding the Nelson bazooka tribute page: Sandy did not snitch Nelson to the National Park law enforcement, that was done by concerned citizens not afiliated with ATWA. However, a brief chronicle of the Death Valley Caper was posted on her site.
I don't know Sandy, but she might not appreciate getting credit for actually calling the cops on Nelson.
Wow, reading that site's comment section was like walking in on a bar fight...
Hi Robert, in the Judeo-Christian tradition the role of a prophet was typically more one of speaking "on behalf of" God concerning contemporaneous political or social situations. Typically, for example, a warning to Israel against jumping into bed with Powerful Pagan Empire A in order to have it protect Israel against Powerful Pagan Empire B. Typically such warnings contain the imagery of future national desolation and ruin (these guys would've had a field day with Hollywood CGI apocalyptic disaster porn), but divination of the future is certainly not the point of the prophetic calling (or imposition) in that tradition. Explaining the present, as a mouthpiece of God, is the prophetic task.
Was Jesus technically a prophet at all? Well, not really. He was a radical rabbi, a teacher. Or, if you prefer, he was God in the shape of a human life, in which case his other attributes and job titles seem moot. He did foresee his own death, along with the rejection and deaths of his followers. But in truth his prophethood consists of being or living the Word of God, rather than speaking it, and in doing so revealing that Word to be love and forgiveness.
That, at any rate, is the claim, or part of it. And yes, of course, love and forgiveness have proved highly lucrative for some of his nominal latterday followers. And a licence to do despicable evil for others - though anyone who thinks that priest and child abuser are synonymous might want to ask themselves whether they know for a fact that a higher proportion of priests are abusers than is true of teachers, social workers, care home workers etc. (I'm not defending it, far from it. It's monstrous, diabolical, vicious, and disgusting. And the Catholic Church handled it appallingly, truly appallingly. But for example, here in the UK the liberal, secular, progressive BBC were as happy as pigs in shit to wallow in he moral failure of the Catholic Church when the child abuse revelations came out, but while they sat there on their secular high horse pontificating about the link between celibacy and pedophilia, it came to light that Jimmy Saville, one of the BBC's biggest stars throughout the 70s and 80s, along with a cohort of other celebs, had all been prolifically groping abusing and raping children for many years, and that many at the BBC knew about it, and did nothing.)
Robert, what's your take on the rise of Islam? Do you mind my asking? You've mentioned it a couple of times and it's something that interests and frankly horrifies me. What did the Family say on that subject?
Robert do you know who the guy behind RuthAnn is? Is he a Family member or a hanger on, or just a spectator at the trial?
Damn, Michael you are a scholar. And as the official representative of the UK can you state for the record that all British people think Ruth Ann was by far the hottest of the Manson Girls?
Mr Hump, calling someone a scholar is usually the polite way of saying you struggled to stay awake past the first paragraph :D I'm no scholar, not at all. I studied Theology at university, and learned chiefly that a degree in Theology is of absolutely no worth in life whatsoever. Now I'm just a semi-failed artist who dreams of the desert and the dust, and the Joshua trees clutching at the violet twilight, and demented disciples descending on the city at night.
I've consulted Her Majesty, David Cameron, Harry Potter, and the entire cast of Downton Abbey, and it is officially agreed that the official UK position is that Ruth Ann was the hottest of the Manson girls, though Leslie definitely gives her a run for her money, and even Charlie has his moments!
YES Beauders, he looks very familiar, but many looked like him at the time.
Michael: The Family's understanding of the Black Muslims and the Nation of Islam is discussed in my book and mentioned in "Inside the MANSON Gang", but Americans have been taught that ALL the "terrorism" going on in the world has little to with "Muslims." Paul Watkins even testified at trial that it was the BLACK "Muslims" who Charlie was referring to in HIS Armageddon. AND of course, everyone thinks "Black" Muslim means "a Muslim who happens to be Black." BUT the original Black Muslims were born out of Egypt.
The Zebra murders up North in the San Francisco area in 1972 provide a real clue to the MANSON - Muslim connection.
The interesting aspect of the real Muslim situation is written through out history, but IF anyone speaks of "understanding" the situation they are immediately considered bad-guy sympathisers or even traitors.
Thus, when one figures out why Jesus had to be eliminated, it becomes clear that absolutely NOTHING has changed in two thousand years. NOTHING - Just more babies have been born and more people have died.
Unfortunately, ALL there really is - is a good steak an lobster dinner and a good piece of ass. All the rest is simply an animalistic experiment.
Well Michael you are a semi-successful artist here for your way with words and ability to think clearly.
I've never thought of Charlie being in the running for the hottest Manson girl-it just shows what his mind was capable of.
So Robert's philosophy on life boils down to steak, lobster and a piece of ass? After all his fancy thoughts it comes down to that??
Mr. Humphrat said...
Ruth Ann should have won the Miss White Album beauty contest but was disqualified for not going in the dumpster one time.
http://www.cielodrive.com/images/gallery/sandra-good/08.jpg
beauders said...
Robert do you know who the guy behind RuthAnn is? Is he a Family member or a hanger on, or just a spectator at the trial?
DeCarlo?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xUSomNC8weQ/TtGJDs8CIVI/AAAAAAAAA1U/fPfUqU9BVW8/s1600/Danny+DeCarlo.jpg
YES Humphrat, but it is in pursuit of "steak / lobster and a "piece" that we as humans can "create" an entire world of exciting wonderment, which in turn excites and embellishes upon the otherwise boring ACT of eating a piece of dead flesh and pleasuring another creature.
As a married man I find great joy in pleasuring another creature with a piece of dead flesh. That's what she calls it, anyway.
Maybe it's true: we need food, oxygen, and a companion, and everything beyond that is an optional extra we decorate life with, to avoid ennui or staring into the abyss.
Careful Robert, you know what Nietzsche said about the abyss... What happens when the lobster runs out, and we're so tired of the flesh it hardly distracts us from the shadows inside us...? What happens to those of us who are just not very good at lying to ourselves about our place in the universe...?
Yes chats thanks for the pic it illustrates my point that Ruth Ann was disqualified by Squeaky and Sandra who are down in the dumpster while she stays up top lazily eating what they pass up to her.
No one puts Ruthie in the dumpster.......NO ONE!
Everybody is cracking me up now. Chats, Michael, Robert....
Also Colonel, you left the part out where Whitehouse was the attorney of record for getting Nelson's conviction expunged.
The guy behind Ruth looks like the guy we filmed at Spahn ranch after the fire. He's probably in MANSON / Manson gang movies.
Michael, now you're getting heavy on me. A place in the universe ? Can't I just blend into the crowd and do MY own thing or do I have to put on some kind of uniform and pretend I'm a hero ?
I realized something VERY interesting today. There is a website called zillow.com where houses are listed for sale and zillow $$$ estimates are given for EVERY house, whether it's for sale or not. Problem is Zillow has apparently become the God of home values - whether the estimates are correct or not. But the estimates are generated by a computer program.
Get it - when a vast majority accept a computer as their God - IT becomes the GOD of - in this case home values.
Anyone SEE the comparison YET ?
In computers we TRUST ! Maybe Apple will someday add a wafer and wine dispenser to their Super Mac.
Robert. You're not questioning the Almighty Processor are you? Why, without the Almighty Processor and its priests and modelling simulators, we wouldn't have that good old-time religion of Catastrophic Global Warming to lash ourselves with and make sacrifices to. Even if it fails to show up in the real world, the knowledge that it's happening in a simulation being run by the Almighty Processor is enough for me.
I think we agree. To tell ourselves we have any grand place in this universe is just wishful thinking. We're less than miniscule. Most of the photons of light that enter our eyes from the stars in the sky set off from those stars, at 186,000 miles per second, before mankind even existed on this planet. And more will keep arriving, long after we've gone.
Au contraire Michael:
The other day I was just thinking. Isn't it time WE realize a computer "law" program could do a better job at deciding a Criminal OR Civil Case. I mean come on - A mailman, a milkman and a store clerk deciding whether another human being is "guilty" OR "liable." BUT there is always a draw-back incorporated in change. AND here, how do you dress a computer in a Black Robe ?
AND without the need for ANY recess or reporters, think of ALL the snack makers and story tellers put out of work.
I got it! With computers QUICKLY deciding cases, we can put MORE people in jail FASTER and thus we will need MORE prison guards.
Thank God the REAL God has liberal solutions to ALL our problems.
Robert, I can never work out whether you're a straightforward man with a very oblique way of expressing yourself, or, a remarkably complicated man expressing himself as clearly and simply as possible.
I love it, either way.
The trouble with your excellent scenario is that computers operate within parameters best described by the phrase, "garbage in, garbage out."
Just like the average jury!
Thank you Michael - I'll take that as a complimate.
Triangle = 3 angles - like maybe Christian, Muslim, Manson. Alone each is meaningless, but together, they compliment each other. OR two will force the odd one OUT.
You guys just keep talking I'll just sweep up a little around here.
Oops :)
First of all that Bill Nelson guy was not always telling the truth.Could he not have written the letter himself.I feel if any of the hard core Manson people really were sorry about what happened in the Manson family they would give information to the police about what they really knew..So they go on with their lives untill they have to have one of their children viciosly murered like the Tate family or Parent family or any of the other victims they will not know.If they have to see Sharon s face on the television good it proves they did not destroy her work.
Even Nelson eventually realized it was fake. From Nellie's site on the Way Back Machine:
"I told him (Sanders) about the Ruth Ann Morehouse fake and how elaborate the scheme was to deceive me into believing it was actually her."
Also, I need to make a correction on my earlier comment:
Nelson did not hire Whitehouse, but he did use the same attorney as Atkins had at the time...which is still pretty weird.
Barbara said that Ruth told her there were 10 other murders. All different family members including Ruth would have been a part of some of those murders. Ruth got away with murder and attempted murder. All those idiots gave him his power. How lovely she gets to enjoy her life.
Ruth will you marry me ?
Why is it cool?? A re e you mentally disturbed?
Raven?
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