Can ATWA (Air, Trees, Water, Animals) really make a difference in helping the environment like they claim they can? Well, if that is the case, it would be nice if members that live near the beautiful, majestic, ancient California redwood trees would go down, camp out near these said trees, and catch the people sacks of shit that are destroying these wonderful, living wonders of the world. It seems as if nothing is sacred to the populace anymore. Tooth-less, scab-faced, ugly meth heads have been "creepy crawling" under the cover of darkness, and "hacking" away at these wonderful trees, so they can sell the wood, get their "poor man's cocaine" to get high with while mooching off the government, producing children they'll abuse, and generally being as useful as a cockroach to society. Where is Sandy, Lynette, and the others? Hey, where is Grey Wolf & Star? Hell, those two could don their hooded cloaks, and jump out from behind a bush in the woods, and scare every, single living creature for miles! They wouldn't even need weapons. See what I mean:
If you want to read & watch a short clip about the rest of this sickening story, be my guest. It infuriates me that humans are so destructive & greedy, although nothing surprises me anymore. ATWA members, get out of your parents basement & off the computer for once, and take a break from spewing all that ridiculous "Manson is innocent" bullshit, so you can get busy really trying to make a difference. Get your hooded cloaks ready, and get out there to protect the very thing that makes up part of your acronym!!
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Hi everyone. I've just joined the blog after being a long time fan. I look forward to joining in the discussions. Regards to all!
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Welcome, SusanB. We hope to hear from you often.
ReplyDeleteWelcome SusanB!
ReplyDeleteManson BAD, Tree GOOD, Meth BAD, Obama GOOD, Republican BAD, Democrat GOOD.
ReplyDeleteEliminate the BAD and what do you have left ?
By the way, in the present California DROUGHT, my neighbors are watering their lawns while MY OAK and Pine trees are dying. Apparently, a GREEN lawn is more valued than a TREE. Seems kinda discriminating to me. Are REDWOODS "better" trees than OAKS ? Do they have more civil RIGHTS than PINE trees. Are Americans TREE racists too ?
NOW, which is most relevant to the motive for killing of Sharon Tate - a Black man, a Muslim or a Black Muslim ?
People are doing that here, in the Austin area too. Lawns are more important to these morons than drinking water. Also, developers are still building subdivisions with our lake (Lake Travis) looking like a moon crater instead of a beautiful, blue lake. The drought in Texas has been horrible. Nothing good coming out of killing trees either. My oaks aren't doing to good either.
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.the article really leaves me wondering....how do they know it's meth heads? And if so, Dont think Sandra Good or Squeaky will scare them off.... But in a kinda way Ann is right here: Where is ATWA then ?? They always kin to tell they ,,Protect,, the Air-TREES-Water-Animals. Owhh and Squeaky told the Judge in her Ford-Trail ,Your Trees are Diying,
ReplyDeleteThe way ATWA was explained to Patty is that its not a structured organization. You can't get an ATWA membership card, for instance. Its more of a concept. One person who identifies with and lives by ATWA may take up a cause, and he or she may recruit other like minded individuals to help, but ATWA on the whole doesntdoesn't sanction specific projects. The ATWA website is just one small project, not all ATWA members are involved with it. And...Patty is learning that just like in life, there's good and bad people who identify with it for different reasons. Just like the original Family. There wasntwasn't any one specific goal, just ideas that got thrown around and occasionally acted upon.
ReplyDeleteThis is very interesting I didn't know about hacking off parts of trees for the wood. How sad and disgusting. Addiction is so devastating to people.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's funny I'd never seen the ATWAnians in their religious garb.
Reminds me of Charlie deciding once he was in prison and no longer enjoying sex (on the outside) that Red, Blue and whomever were now to be celibate. Ha Ha.
Hello! I am taking the hook here to present myself too. I've been reading this blog for many months now, so it's time to say hi!! You're all such nice and intelligent people.
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ReplyDeleteI don't know for sure who's hacking the redwoods, but in the end it doesn't really matter. Raza is going to own California soon and they don't give a f*ck about trees.
ReplyDeleteHello and greetings from Dublin! I too have been floating around this site for a while now and love hearing all the weird and wonderful(?) stories : )
ReplyDeleteBecause I am a "wood" guy ( in junior high school wood shop) I made 2 mahogany end tables, this post got to me. I have even been to a hand made furniture maker at the base of a California forest. Folks awhile back discovered that many of the old logs floated downstream to the mills, sank and have been resting on the river bottoms for ages. They began dregging the rivers and an entire industry was reborn. Yup, "Mendocino County" is the heart of the OLD wood business. I bet this is where Charlie developed HIS love of the TREES. SEE what YOU hit upon ANN. My quick guess is - the rivers got all cleaned up of the GOOD old Redwood and because such a great business was now active, some folks thought - what the hell - nobody will mind if we just take a little off the big old trees. Kind'a like selling "counterfeit" MANSON DVDs - Hendrickson won't mind - he's made enough money off Charlie and the Girls. He needs to SHARE with us poor "meth heads." Hey - if God didn't want US to share the fucking TREES, he would have built fences around them.
ReplyDeleteThey could probably make a deal with old Charlie Manson - let HIM out of jail to guard the Mendocino Redwood Forest, BUT that would make too much sense.
I recall reading somewhere,in Helter Skelter I think,that it outraged Manson that part of the front porch of the Tate house was constructed using Redwood timber.He saw this as another example of the bourgeois in society disrespecting his beloved Mother Nature. It was suggested,in some quarters, that this was one of the reasons he targeted the Tate house. To Manson,even the house's façade was an example of society's ignorance and greed-- as he viewed it. If Manson felt like this in 1969, you'd think his ATWA followers today, in 2014(!) would kick up some dust about the horrific fate of Charlie's beloved Redwoods.
ReplyDeleteNow that is something I have never heard of. If this subject matter was not to serious, it would be almost funny.
DeleteWelcome, aMy! Go find Charlie Higgins and bring him back with you. LOL.
ReplyDeleteSusanB, if you could find out where you read that I'd be interested in reading it.
ReplyDeleteGiven the state of Family-generated pollution at Spahn, I have my doubts about that quote. I also doubt strongly that a guy that had been incarcerated for as long as he would recognize one type of wood carpentry from another.
Cheers Matt. I could probably find A Charlie Higgins just not The man himself, haha!
ReplyDeleteWhat I would give to have an oak tree in my garden, and these muppets destroying those and the Redwoods?! Really makes me worry for mankind
Welcome to all the new posters and those reading along!
ReplyDeleteI never heard about the redwood deck at the Tate residence or if I read it I'd forgotten it.
While I'm thinking of it also, if anyone hasn't read Vincent Bugliosi's "And the Sea Will Tell" about a true crime in the south Pacific ocean in the 1970s I highly recommend it. Bugliosi defended one of the people involved and it is a very well developed story! Also a recent documentary, The Galapagos Affair: Satan Came To Eden is fascinating.
Mrs. Humphrat I did a post on "And The Sea Will Tell", check it out. There is a surprising footnote to Muff Graham's story.
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I live in Redwood country and it is a crying shame what is happening to them. Not only are there poachers that are defacing the trees to the detriment of them but even the legal harvests make you wonder who is in charge.
ReplyDeleteThe trees that are harvested now get loaded onto trucks and are taken to the Bay Area where they are put on ships and sent to China to be milled. The whole trees cut in manageable sections are no longer milled in the US but are out sourced like so many other things. Most of the mills shut down long ago, putting hundreds of people out of work.
And people wonder why our economy is in the crapper.
Im sure red and blue handmade their nuness robes....the ones pictured above look like they came from some religious online costume site
ReplyDeleteThanks Deb S! I will check it out.
ReplyDeleteWhat a sad footnote about Muff Graham. Here is the link to the
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about Buck Walker's death. I haven't
read it yet.
http://www.willitsnews.com/ci_15260349
people being people
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't mind having these scary hooded cloacks people from ATWA guarding the Amazon down here in Brazil. The problem here is that the greedy deforestation agents here wouldn't think twice in shooting them. The whole place is a free zone.
ReplyDeleteBill Nelson started the rumor that Manson was upset by the redwood used at the Tate house.
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing the destruction wrought by meth.
Well Chatsworth, as my mom lives in Willits, I can tell you that Willits is also the Gateway to the Redwoods, which brings us full circle on our subject. ")
ReplyDeleteProtect the air.
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Protect the trees.
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Protect the water.
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Protect the animals.
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Protect the founder from political imprisonment.
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Protect children from Bill Nelson.
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Protect children from Bill Nelson.
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Stopping tweekers from chopping up redwoods seems unrealistic, but maybe they would be interested in helping the survival of the pupfish.
ReplyDeletePupfish!!! Hooray!
DeleteTo be honest I think the people cutting on the trees are more dangerous than Van Houten or Krenwinkel. I'd rather the scum that would kill their own grandmother for $5.00 be in those cells occupied by senior citizens, that would have a hard time crossing the street without assistance.
ReplyDeleteHi Matt and Ann. Thanks for the welcome.I will eventually remember exactly where I read about the porch of the Tate house having Redwood fixtures. I'm sure it was buried in the pages of HS. I'll post as soon as I track it down. A nod to Beauders,though,mentioning Bill Nelson. Appreciate it.
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, I hit the big "G" with the words "Charles Manson" and "Redwood trees" all manner of sites came up,highlighting a connection.Whether any of them specifically mentioned the Tate front porch connection,I don't know,as I haven't read them through as yet. On a slightly different subject...
A few weeks back a post was made re an upcoming new movie about Manson. It was mentioned that Steve Railsback did a great job playing Manson. I agree. However,what about Jeremy Davies in Helter Skelter 2004? An awesome performance. The whole movie was good -- except for Clea Du Vall's wig!
GUESS what ANN - Miss ATWA "Sandra Good" served ten (10) years in PRISON for threatening HEADS of corporations that "fuck-up" our ENVIORNMENT. Cause she walked the walk, instead of just talking the talk and NOBODY even stood behind her - I'm thinking she's got a great big "Fuck-you ALL" for all of us. AND then you got Little Miss "Squeaky" that even pointed a GUN at President Ford in order to draw attention to the trees, water and air - AND look what it got HER.
ReplyDeleteIt would make more sense for the government to just PAY $$$ to the "meth heads" to NOT chop-up the sacred TREES.
How is threatening people's lives making a difference? I don't get it, I never will. I think them justifying murder over the environment is really psychotic. If they were so worried about the environment, and air, trees, water & animals, why didn't they clean up Spahn ranch? Why didn't they plant a huge garden? If they were into animals, why would CM throw cats up in the air to demonstrate his point? I'm sorry, but cat juggling doesn't sound like it qualifies as an animal protection activity, neither does pointing a gun at a person, and threatening people. Someone should of beat their ass for threatening people like that. Nobody, and I mean nobody will ever be able to convince me that these a-holes committed murder over ATWA. I'm going back to bed now. Severely hung over from UT game yesterday. :(
DeleteI agree Ann. Seems like a no-brainer. To me walking the walk is about doing something positive such as using less gasoline, growing your own food, etc, so your actions speak for themselves. Threatening people who symbolize wrong in your mind and then doing jail time for it tends to obscure the message just a tad. How many people in the general public were influenced to better the earth because Squeaky pointed a gun at the President ("he looked like cardboard to me")
ReplyDeletePatty watched "Manson" again last night. Between that and this post, she had a strange dream. Patty met Sandra Good, but she was only about two feet high with little tiny legs and full sized everteverything else. Patty said, "You're Sandy Good!" She frowned. So Patty complemented her on her environmental work, probably hoping to engage her in further discussion? Anywhoo, that is where the dream ends.
ReplyDeleteOh! Off topic, but Patty meant to mention that she noticed last night for the first time in Mr. Hendrickson's film a scene where Squeaky is holding The Book of the Dead, her fabled history of the Family. It is black with red handwritten lettering and can be seen at the very bottom of the frame. Patty wondered where it has gone, who has it if it still exists?
ReplyDeletePanamint Patty said...
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I'd like to hear more about this dream Patty.
hahahahaha
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ReplyDeleteWell Chatsworth, as my mom lives in Willits, I can tell you that Willits is also the Gateway to the Redwoods, which brings us full circle on our subject. ")
"Gateway"
I see what you did there!
Patty, I believe Hendrickson has made a number of references to The Book of the Dead right here on the Manson blog.
ReplyDeleteMAX: Where have you been ? I feel like I'm tossing clues to the wind - when you're not here. Are you watching Helter Skelter unfold with ISIS ( the new Islamic State) and White America? Is it possible that a Final Conflict between the Black Muslims and White America was actually Charles Manson's PREDICTION.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in the Army, the two years seemed like a lifetime, BUT 50 years later, that same two years is but a blip on MY radar. So were the Tate/ LaBianca Murders a SHORT or LONG time ago ?
A lot of talk about "meth heads" so who was the world's FIRST known DRUG chemist (turned an everyday chemical into a drug) ?
"Owsley?"
ReplyDeleteNo Chatsworth you are more clever than I am...I didn't think about the significance of that word. Ha.
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ReplyDeleteCRASH: congratulations - now I know how your brain functions AND of course - now I will pay more attention to any comments you make. Do you know the true origin of the Black Muslims AND why the Prosecutor eliminated the word Muslim from his Helter Skelter motive theory?
ReplyDeleteWow, nice guess crash. This discussion just got infinitely more interesting...
ReplyDeleteMATT: It's a double WOW -- America JUST attacked Somalia a few hours ago. Remember "Black Hawk Down." Back then the words Black Muslims appeared everywhere, BUT this time the word "BLACK" has been dropped and it's only about "Muslims."
ReplyDeleteSounds like something is FISHY up around Sneakyville OR this time, the media just wants to protect us from being to smart.
Now I'm looking at the pics of Star in Nun garb and mixing it in my mind with the next posting about the Baby Shower Killings and thinking you could make up some pretty funny stories with her in it. Yikes.
ReplyDeleteWhat's black, red, white and green in the middle?
ReplyDeleteGray Wolf and Star fighting over a pickle!
They could easily make a difference if they actually organized events, put together ass tree waterings, mass tree plantings, "adopt a tree", group clean ups, and so on.
ReplyDeleteI do this all the time and I am not a non-profit. It's easy.
@Robert I was in Shoshone for a week and the place I stayed had the sprinklers on 24-7. NO SHIT.
Right beside a spring, too.
It's funny how some desert folk thinks those springs will keep producing forever.
ATWA is a frame of mind. It's about your surroundings, and caring for the things that were here well before us. Charlie just wants attention brought to what is happening to the most important things on earth. Everyone is going to have a different view of, and different ways of contributing to ATWA. Sending money to Craig or Afton is doing absolutely nothing for ATWA, and is NOT what Charles wants. ATWA is in you, it is you!! ATWA is not meant to be two goofballs in priest and priestess outfits!! There are not two people who have done less for the cause then these two clowns. Charlie knows it, believe me, Charlie knows it!!! Just do your part as a human who enjoys the air you breath, and the water you drink. Remember, ATWA is you!!!
ReplyDeleteBEN: very well articulated, but then couldn't "Frame of Mind" be relevant to most everything we "think-of" in life ?
ReplyDeleteIE: As you think - so are you, etc,etc. So WHY would a guy like Charlie Manson (in prison for life) CARE what I or anyone else THINKS about TREES, AIR and WATER ?
Why doesn't CHARLIE simply plant a TREE seed in the middle of the prison yard. That could really draw some worldwide attention to HIS cause - especially if the warden KILLS the "TREE of LIFE."
Kudos to Cuntry Trash for tree plantings.
ReplyDeleteRobert, I believe you are completely correct in your response. For starters it is obviously much easier as we all know to talk about something rather then to execute something. Charles has always been active in tending the prison garden, working the grounds, etc. I quite honestly believe due to his age and his health, that he now relies on his words, and can't actual practice what he preaches in some cases anymore. I do know that this in itself kills him, and to admit that Charles Manson can't do something completely changes how people perceive him. He is 80 and think it is just much easier to have certain folks do the work for him these days. Hell I just took my family out 2 weeks ago, and had 4 children and me planting 100 Maple tree saplings on a family members property. I can only do what I can do, and Charlie can only do what he can do at 80. Good point however Robert!!
ReplyDeleteA FUCKIN MEN!!!! THE TRUTH IS SPOKEN OPENLY FINIALY IN A GROUP!!!!
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ReplyDeleteSending money to Craig or Afton is doing absolutely nothing for ATWA, and is NOT what Charles wants. ATWA is in you, it is you!! ATWA is not meant to be two goofballs in priest and priestess outfits!! There are not two people who have done less for the cause then these two clowns. Charlie knows it, believe me, Charlie knows it!!! Ben stated above-that being so why is Charlie still having Star visit him and claiming they are married? He must be getting some benefit from it? The nun outfit she has on , Ive found one online from a Nun habit website-maybe it looks clownish because it doesn't appear to be handsewn like Red And Blues who actually put the time in to MAKE their own robes IMO
ReplyDeleteSorry these posts came up twice-I just read thru Mansonsbackporch about the current ATWA-all public info avalible-as opposed to the shit being said that STAR and Grey were OUTED and their security is now a factor-I think if there were ANY MENTION AT ALL about Red and Blue on Manson Direct the "new" ATWA might be taken more seriously-but it is as if they are not even in the equation of ATWA on that site. And when they referred to Ben Gurecki as a "merchant of ghoul" was almost hilarious considering G Willy's site and how he makes a profit. I said my peace on this on LSBlog so I wont repeat it all on the subject of the ATWA 2000 as I call it.
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