Goodbye Helter Skelter
A New Look at the Tate-LaBianca Murders
"There's an image and a person that the District Attorney created called 'Manson Helter Skelter.' And there's an image that's in the press that you've been reading and watching and looking at for years. And that's built up in your mind. That's an image that somebody else made up. It's got nothing, really, to do with me personally. I am not that guy. But yet that guy is built up in your mind and you think that that guy is me. You think that I'm that fire-breathing, seven-foot-tall, no good hippie cult leader bullshit bunkum punk shit that they put on me, you know. And then sometimes I think you guys get to believing that shit.
"That's not me.
"I might be worse than that, in some ways." -- Charles Manson
In August of 1969 the spectacular Tate-LaBianca murders rocked Los Angeles, the country, and the world. But even more shocking than those murders was the story behind them: the story of a homicidal maniac named Charles Manson, how he turned the sons and daughters of middle-class America into a "Family" of murderous slaves, and an insane plan to achieve world domination by sparking a race war called "Helter Skelter."
But what if it was just a story?
Here is the first realistic and reasonable examination of the Tate-LaBianca murders and the true reasons behind them. Based on years of research and exclusive information from Charles Manson and many of his former and present friends, Goodbye Helter Skelter presents the conclusions of a long-time Manson associate -- conclusions that will likely change everything you think you know about Charles Manson, his "Family," and some of the most infamous murders in the history of American crime.
Goodbye Helter Skelter includes material taken from hundreds of hours of tape-recorded conversations with Charles Manson. Never before has Manson's point of view been presented in such a complete and coherent format.
416 pages, including over thirty pages of color photographs
Goodbye Helter Skelter by George Stimson Available Now
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The American people are idiots. The greatest fighting force known to man chased out of every country they invaded by local militias who sent them packing. (Those who didn't have their arms and legs and faces blown off.)
ReplyDeleteIn 1969, these kids tried to stop the war machine. You put them in prison for life and keep trying to remake the world in your own image. How's that going?
Ordered mine. At the very least it will be interesting!
ReplyDeletePatty wants one too...
DeleteThat may be the most Bad-Assed photo of Charlie....ever!
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ReplyDeleteJust ordered my copy. Looking forward to it!
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ReplyDeleteTomG said...
ReplyDeleteThe American people are idiots. The greatest fighting force known to man chased out of every country they invaded by local militias who sent them packing. (Those who didn't have their arms and legs and faces blown off.)
In 1969, these kids tried to stop the war machine. You put them in prison for life and keep trying to remake the world in your own image. How's that going?
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Did someone fart? I thought I heard an asshole.....
Thats by Sandra Good her Husband/Friend ?? George Stimson
ReplyDeleteHellzBellz, yes that's the guy. Nazi collector, if I remember correctly.
ReplyDeleteGod, I love that title !
ReplyDeleteAND there is a new book out "938 Lies" that documents the beginning of the US government's lying to the American people from Lyndon Johnson's LIE concerning the Gulf of Tonkin in order to start a WAR in Vietnam to George Bush's LIE concerning weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Because Vincent Bugliosi has actually written a book all about Bush's great LIE, I'm wondering IF Mr. "B" actually got the idea for creating a fabricated "Race War" from LBJ's fabricated ATTACK on two American warships in Vietnam.
NOW, that makes sense to me. The government creates a WAR, based upon a LIE in order to justify the end result. So did Mr. "B" create the now infamous Black & White" race WAR in order to justify putting Charles Manson back in prison. Of course, isn't that EXACTLY what a prosecutor's JOB is ?
The new and improved RH
I am extremely proud to be an American, and even more proud to be a Texan. I don't really care if people think I am an idiot. Just thought I would throw that out for our readers.....Thank you, and have a nice day.
ReplyDeleteIt was the "complete and coherent format" part that set me to laughing... That surely WOULD be a hell of an achievement. And yet, like a hungry fish, I'll bite. The sound you hear is me reaching for my almost-empty wallet. *sigh*
ReplyDeleteProud to be an American but extremely ashamed of the evil, greedy, soulless, and relentless "white collar mafia" that actually runs our government while consistently, and totally, ignoring the will of the people...
ReplyDeleteBtw - congrats George (he is a nice guy) on finally completing this book.
ReplyDeleteI don't spend any time researching this case anymore but I definitely will read this!
I'm not proud to be an Amurican and anyone who is must be some hubristic creep who never took a moral inventory. What American troops have done in places like My Lai and Fallujah numbs the mind. The savagery of these people is unspeakable. And you all keep alive some blogs that deal with white people who got killed 45 years ago. Because they were like you.(shaking my damn head)
ReplyDeleteI know what you mean TomG, and there's a very fine line between what you're saying and what I'm saying...but it IS a line.
ReplyDeleteHey TomG, I signed up just to say go fuck yourself. If you are such a self-loathing American, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor and leave (or kill yourself). Bitch.
ReplyDeleteTomG is just making a statement. Gotta read between the lines - it's all in the delivery.
ReplyDeleteAs an aside, I've been reading this blog (and the majority of the Tate-Labianca blogs) for a few years now. I understand the anti-government rhetoric, but i'm tired of the blanket statements like we're all sheep.
ReplyDeleteAnd right on Austin Ann
ReplyDelete10-4 Bob Abooee!
ReplyDeleteBob Abooee, I dig your style.....
ReplyDeleteI dig your style Doc - wish you would chime in more often...
ReplyDeleteThank you, Bob.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet TomG is here. Does anyone else smell self-righteous hypocrisy?
ReplyDelete"The American people are idiots."
ReplyDeleteYep, all 313 million of them, every one. Thank God Tom G is not an idiot like those 313 million moron sheep. Yay for Tom the Wise! Yay for Tom's moral superiority! Enjoy it Tom, enjoy the sure knowledge that you are morally superior to those who don't share your worldview. It must be a very comfortable space to occupy - it's so much easier than actually *thinking* or reasoning, and you get to enjoy feeling superior, what's not to like?
"The greatest fighting force known to man chased out of every country they invaded by local militias who sent them packing."
That's right - the greatest fighting force ever created, let-down repeatedly by spineless politicians and undermined at home by self-absorbed moral narcissists like you, and these 1969 'kids'. Gee, if only 'kids' like this ruled the world, what a utopia that would be...
"In 1969, these kids tried to stop the war machine."
By stabbing a pregnant woman to death? Those plucky young idealists.
"You put them in prison for life"
For stabbing a pregnant woman (and several others) to death. I know she was white, Tom, but it was still morally repulsive. Why does that seem so difficult for you to acknowledge?
"and keep trying to remake the world in your own image. How's that going?"
Not too well, but sensible people, people not blinded by hatred and dogma, not driven by an irrational and reflexive loathing of anything American, might think that a world that moved towards America might just be slightly better than a world remade in the image of Putin, or ISIS, or Boko Haram, or Mugabe, or North Korea. Not perfect, perhaps, but a damn-sight better than you give it credit for, fool.
Two thumbs up Michael Nagle.....
ReplyDeleteI waffle between seeing things Michael's way and Tom's way.
ReplyDeleteI've done quite a bit of traveling - Enough to know that I'm extremely lucky to be American. We have it all here. In fact many Hindus believe that American's must have been Saints in past lives. Never mind that even people living below the poverty line here live better than 95% of the world's population, we can hop in our vehicles and go wherever we want. No permission required.
But, I'm not naive enough not to believe that our gov't has done and continues to commit immoral acts both abroad and domestically in the interest of protecting itself. For instance, the Holocaust is referred to frequently in the media and in history books, but the genocide committed right here in the USA against the indigenous tribes is glossed over. If you think the NSA doesn't data mine even these blogs, you are deluding yourself.
All in all, I'm staying here and I'm glad - even proud - to be American despite our warts.
Matt, I agree. Of course the US has done some bad things, and some very bad things. But as someone with family and friends in eastern Europe I can tell you that the decline and slow withdrawal of American influence is a source of genuine anxiety and regret. The American superpower has been by some distance the least malevolent superpower the world has known, of that there can be very little doubt. On balance I believe very much that the USA has been a tremendous force for good in the modern world, and I think that will become increasingly clear only once its power and influence wanes - a process which seems to be taking place much more rapidly than I had expected, incidentally.
ReplyDeletePerhaps Churchill captured best what I mean: "The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative." :)
ReplyDeleteMichael, my family is Croatian. I have visited them quite a few times. As part of the former Yugoslavia they were brainwashed to hate us. You should see the movies they watched over there
ReplyDeleteFighting my iPhone here - my own family was anti-American.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. China will be the next superpower and the world will long for the good old days!
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ReplyDeleteI agree with Matt about China - it looks like the writing is on the wall, if it continues as it is.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that all these freedoms that we are used to are rapidly disappearing (although many are not even aware it is happening) and something must be done by all of us if we wish to not only preserve what's left, but also repeal the damage that's already been done (e.g. The PATRIOT act, DHS, etc.).
ReplyDeleteIt's a huge mistake to acquiesce to the mentality of "Well they can do whatever they want to us because we are still living in the greatest country in the world."
What we grew up knowing America to be is already gone. The theme music keeps playing loudly though, and the bullshit keeps pouring out of politicians mouths, so most people are blind to the conditions we are currently living under.
http://patriotrising.com/2014/07/02/land-free-much-americans-sense-freedom-drops-poll-finds/
ReplyDeleteMax and Matt - absolutely agree, and also something I've been reading about recently, a minority of US cops who are becoming increasingly trigger-happy, basically murderers hiding behind badges. I wish I could see a way back for America. Well, I guess I'll go watch 'Vanishing Point' now and try not to think about the future...
ReplyDeleteMichael, there are LOTS and LOTS of these trigger happy cops throughout the country - just look at what happened in Albuquerque. And hopefully you saw how the citizens took over the city council meeting in protest. These things are happening everyday, it seems, but the mainstream (corporate, not liberal) media does not cover these stories for the most part.
ReplyDeleteThe reason this has been happening is because since 9-11 the DHS has literally been militarizing police forces all over the country. They are being essentially brainwashed into thinking the American citizen is the enemy - and anyone who protests is enemy combatant.
There are, however, a good number of cops out there who are waking up and refusing to go along with the plan.
I'm copying and pasting the below quote from a website I just looked at. Check out the video clip after - it nails it!
ReplyDelete<< For some reason, YouTube has disabled embedding on almost all versions of this wonderful clip from HBO's "The Newsroom." The reason I wanted to hunt this down is that earlier today FOX News asked people to tweet "What Makes You Proud to be an American" using #proudamerican with the promise that the best comments will be aired during the Friday orgy of self-delusion that we have anything to be proud of. My tweet as to what makes me proud is "Standing up too a government and media trying to lie us into more wars" but somehow I don;t expect that to make the cut. But this whole exercise in gratuitous self-aggrandizement as a national sport reminded me very much of this clip from "The Newsroom." >>
http://youtu.be/oeCKYg7__Bw
Jeff Daniels is incredible in that show. Great clip!
ReplyDeleteI' don't think any "proud" American is PROUD of "the My Lai Massacre" - anymore than anyone is proud of the Tate / LaBianca Massacre.
ReplyDeleteBUT there are sure some bizarre similarities - Like the two authorities in charge ordering the massacres.
EXCEPT: the Tate baby was NOT specifically stabbed or shot - where at the My Lai massacre babies were directly murdered after their parents were already dead.
AND with all the screwing of Vietnamese women by American soldiers, any of those children could have been LEGAL Americans.
DNA can one day be a bitch.
BUT Mr Hendrickson, SHE was 8 and a HALF months pregnant, and she begged them TO let her baby live. You can split as MANY HAIRS as you LIKE, but the fact is, they knew they were KILLING a child too. They knew it, THEY did it, they own it.
ReplyDeleteSure, they didn't USE napalm to kill IT, but they killed it. I guess that DISTINCTION comforts you in some way. Not me.
But I do get it: every evil act must be compared favourably with Vietnam, because institutional, corporate evil must always trump individual evil.
As Baudelaire wrote in his journals, those who wish to abolish the idea of eternal Hell must have their own reasons for needing to do so.
"He fired at it (the baby) with a 45. He missed.
ReplyDeleteWe ALL laughed.
He got up three or four feet closer and missed again.
We laughed
Then he got up right on top and plugged him"
- Eyewitness, Peers Inquiry on the My Lai MASSACRE
The TRUTH can be a bitch, so be careful of what YOU are proud of.
If you were there that day - I'm just guessing - BUT most likely ONLY Lyndon Johnson, Adolf Hitler and a few others are proud of you.
Yes, as I said, I get it. Vietnam bad, massacres bad, killing of babies bad.
ReplyDeleteI get all of that.
What I don't get is your point.
Unless your point is...
ReplyDeleteOne shouldn't be proud of the good that America has done as a nation, because of the bad things it has also done?
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how hypocritical to condemn the Manson kids for stabbing up a pregnant woman when soldiers in wars also do very bad things?
If the latter, well there will always be wars, they have been a constant in human history; and given that there will always be wars, and bad things will be done in wars, by what insane leap (insane morally as well as logically) must we therefore vacate the moral right to condemn (or punish) acts of cold-blooded murder on the homefront?
What are you saying, exactly? You might care to spell it out, so that the impartial observer doesn't go away with the impression that you think murders of US citizens throughout the 60s and 70s can't *really* be condemned given that the US committed atrocities in Vietnam.
I don't get it. Did Jay Sebring do Lyndon Johnson's hair or something?
Battling the iPhone here . This may take several comments: Michael, I'm old enough to remember the Vietnam war vividly. I also despised Nixon.
ReplyDeleteNixon jumped big time on the Bygliosi bandwagon. He now had "proof" that the HIPPIES were the evil element- not the US gub
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ReplyDeleteHe and his people used it to their benefit to divert attention from the war to that deviant element in society known as the hippie movement.
ReplyDeleteThe war protester now became the ones to be feared rather than the war machine commuting atrocities in Southeast Asia.
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly what is happening today. They are trying to brainwash the public into thinking that the outspoken anti-gov protesters are actually terrorists and should be feared by everyone.
ReplyDeleteAfter 9-11 it was all about "fear the Muslims"
ReplyDeleteNow it's "fear your neighbor"
The right wing media will milk this traitor girl in CO for all it's worth. Not that she doesn't deserve it, but it justifies sending more "advisors" to Iraq.
ReplyDeleteMatt I understand what you're saying, and no doubt it's true. And no doubt people of good conscience see that for what it was and find it morally vile.
ReplyDeleteYou do. I do. Mr Hendrickson does.
But the old cliché about two wrongs not making a right surely applies here? There seems to be this pervasive thrust to Mr Hendrickson's contributions to the effect of saying that whatever the Family did, it pales into insignificance next to the evil deeds of the United States government - to the extent that it begins to feel like he rather resents anyone condemning these murderers without acknowledging that fact. It's like Walter Sobchak in The Big Lebowksi, obsessively turning every conversation, however trivial or domestic, onto the subject of what he went through in 'Nam.
I don't buy into the notion that corporate evil is somehow more significant than personal evil. As terrible, as disgusting, as unspeakably evil as it was for US troops to kill babies in the hell of Vietnam, incidents such as that do not somehow become emblematic of what the USA is, just because Mr Hendrickson wants them to be, and neither do they mitigate or explain or excuse in even the smallest degree the horror and viciousness of the attack on the occupants of Cielo Drive.
Domestic, small-scale acts of personal and extreme evil are not merely a diversionary distraction from the corporate evils of America.
It's nothing personal, I do enjoy reading Mr Hendrickson's contributions very much, even when I take issue with his angle.
Don't believe everything you hear Matt. This CO thing is "convenient" like so many other similar incidents. There is always more to the story. The FBI has already been caught several times "cooking" these incidents by instigating easy prey to act on an impulse. They set it up and stop it so they can sell the story of a "foiled terror plot."
ReplyDeleteAgain, it feeds the "fear your neighbor" mentality which is exactly what they want.
Cui Bono?
See "Wag the Dog"
ReplyDeleteUm, that's what I was trying to say.
ReplyDeleteGreat question Michael.
ReplyDeleteMY "point" can be found in my book "Death to Pigs" - MANSON & Inside the MANSON Gang DVDs
OR you can just wait until the country has turned completely socialist and IT will tell you everything they want you to hear.
Mr Hendrickson, I've always resisted delving into your work too deeply. Maybe I've been afraid I'll find it convincing??
ReplyDeleteOne day soon I may overcome that inner resistance and take the plunge.
But it seems nicer to come here and vehemently disagree in person :)
Robert Hendrickson said...
ReplyDeleteOR you can just wait until the country has turned completely socialist and IT will tell you everything they want you to hear.
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I think that as a coutry we're almost there. I'll feel bad for all those sheeple once they get what they want.....
The USA is not Socialist.
DeleteExactly Doc!
ReplyDeleteI mean...Touché Doc!
ReplyDeleteCorporate evil has a lot more power than individual evil. I like most people have great sympathy for the Tate/LaBianca victims and their families, but Col. Tate was in military intelligence during the Vietnam War, how many victims are there from his actions?
ReplyDeleteBeauders -
ReplyDelete"Corporate evil has a lot more power than individual evil."
Abigail Folger discovered that individual evil had all the power in the world, absolute power, absolute and final. the LaBiancas made the same discovery. You, thankfully, have not had to make that discovery, so you can play politics and numbers with evil. Enjoy.
"I like most people have great sympathy for the Tate/LaBianca victims and their families, but Col. Tate was in military intelligence during the Vietnam War, how many victims are there from his actions?"
I don't know whether I'm more amused or sickened by this abuse of the word 'but'. I don't mean to sound argumentative, and this is probably my last comment, but really - it troubles me that so many people are now unable to talk about the morality of murder without passing their thoughts though the equivocating meat-grinder of political theory.