The below photos and video were taken by our good friend Stoner
(the name was earned with distinction, trust me) on Thursday, 12/12/13.
(the name was earned with distinction, trust me) on Thursday, 12/12/13.
They path Shorty's body was dragged. If you look carefully you can see the RR tracks below.
Same path but a bit closer to the tracks below, facing NE.
Off that path is this small trail leading to the spot where he was buried.
The side of the of the hill were his remains were found by authorities in December of 1977,
as per Grogan's map.
as per Grogan's map.
19 comments:
I wonder why Barabara Hoyt till this day, insists she heard him being killed in the creek below the ranch buildings? I have always believed her.
Will we get to see the ranch video too?
Thank you Stoner!
Because Barbara is just FOS. I believe her version of events were nothing more than her trying to be part of the limelight. To me, like Larry the dumb rabbit, their insistent lies do nothing more than help hide the truth we all so desperately seek, and unlike the actual players in this murder who lie to save their own skin, to lie to just be part of something it's reprehensible.
Patty believes that Barbara has come to believe that what she heard was Shorty being murdered. However, (1) everyone was on drugs, and that makes sounds distort into things they are not. (2) These people were into "coming to now," which sometimes involved scaring the shit out of each other and causing each other to scream like maniacs. (3) It was pitch black out, so Babs' brain would naturally have had to fill in some details for her to come to the conclusion that she did. It never rang true.
Why do people hate Barbara Hoyt so bad? I swear, I think people hate her more than Tex f*cking Watson. I don't understand why.
Because she doesn't know how to pronounce OUISCH.
LOL, Max!
Once again, I'm with Ann. I don't get the hate. And I swear, people wouldn't be quite as mean to Barbara if she was thin. Were thin? Grammar help please... :)
Also, thanks Stoner, awesome stuff!
I think the above comments by Patty and nonbeliever combined best describe why people don't like her.
I don't feel one way or the other about her and think she would still be interesting to talk to.
I thought her letter to the parole board was very well written and made a lot of great points. I also think she has no business writing to the parole board on anyone's behalf.
So...a horse a piece.
I hate Hoyt because she is a liar and wont take a step back and say, "wow, maybe I was mistaken!" Instead she calls other people liars.
She's just as bad as the people who got on the stand and lied for M.
What grade of nurse was Barbara? Was she a R.N.? I'm thinking that takes some brains, maybe not common sense but math and science ability.
Its much tougher now than it used to be, but only because medical science is expanding exponentially
im glad you like the video and the pics...if you want to see more videos you can go on my youtube page..''spahn ranch worker'' thats me on youtube....eviliz your site kicks ass !!..i love it !!
and i also dont like ''HAMBURGER HOYT''...LMAO!!...AT 3AM MAYBE YOU,AND I MEAN MAYBE YOU CAN HEAR SOMEONE YELLING...BUT HE COULDNT HAVE BEEN YELLING THAT LOUD..HIS HEAD MUST OF BEEN HURTING BAD...I CANT YELL WHEN I HAVE A HEADACHE..I COULDNT IMAGINE HAVING TO YELL AFTER WHAT HE WENT THROUGH...AND THE RANCH IS AROUND THE NEXT CORNER AND UP A WAYS ..
Hi SVH. Thanks for the clip. I've read lots of Manson literature, but this is the first I've heard of the "Manson Tree" or that Shorty was shoved into that long crevice under the bridge. What are your sources for this info? Not challenging you here. Just curious.
Hi SVH. Thanks for the clip. I've read lots of Manson literature, but this is the first I've heard of the "Manson Tree" or that Shorty was shoved into that long crevice under the bridge. What are your sources for this info? Not challenging you here. Just curious.
manson himself told us about the tree..he wrote michael channels a letter witch explained where the tree is and what he use to do there..manson use to play music in the tree...and as far as the shorty story.manson told mike the same thing ... mike use to vist bruce davis as well and bruce even told him the same story...
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