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Sunday, May 27, 2012
LAPD Awaits Audio Recordings in Manson Case
A bankruptcy court judge in Texas could help unravel additional Manson
Family murder cases.
Patrick Healy reports for the NBC4 News at 5 p.m.
on May 25, 2012.
Ok, so I have a penchant for noticing little bits of irony and other things that matter very little , LOL.
So, right after Commander Andrew Smith speaks (the shave-head in the still photo) they zoom in on a copy of the court filing. Has anyone other than me noticed that the Lieutenant who submitted that court filing's first name is "Yana"?
First, any lawyer that would sell his clients confession would have to pretty shady to start with. This is a theme I'm beginning to notice frequently, people trying to make money from books and movies. Boyd probably took a check for Watson's confession with one hand, while handing Watson a pair of roller skates to the gas chamber with the other.
Secondly, it's my personal opinion that the cops don't have the foggiest idea whats on those tapes, or at least very little, that this is simply a "fishing expedition", much like the digging at Barker for the last 4 years that has produced nothing except publicity.
Finally, I'm pretty sure the cop in this video is a Klingon, notice the malformed ears.
For the families of the murder victims sake, I think they should jump at ANY oppurtunity or chance to solve their murders. As far as Stabby Tex goes, I would of helped Boyd strap the skates on and give Stabby Tex a hard enough shove that he couldnt get out of the gas chamber. Everyone focuses on Charlie, But Tex is the worse one and I beleive he would of ended up killing folks regardless of Charlie.
Sunset, my take is that Boyd did a fine job representing a client who had no hope - other than maybe escaping execution. He kept these tapes secret until Watson requested that he turn them over to Hoeksta for the purpose of his book, I think around 1978.
These are only becoming public now because of a bankruptcy filing. In bankruptcy, the filer lists all assets no matter how trivial. That's likely what put these on the radar screen of the LAPD and the media. BUT, you may be right about the LAPD fishing. These tapes may or may not contain anything of value. My hunch though (yeh, let's call it a hunch), is that somebody tipped them off as to the legal significance of the contents ;)
Sure Watson had no hope, nevertheless, it was Boyd's obligation to protect and defend Watson as best he could. Selling his clients confession to make money, which almost certainly went to Boyd hardly falls into that category. Boyd could have easily destroyed these tapes at any time or never made them in first place, to protect Watson, Boyd almost certainly wanted to use them to make money for himself, which he probably did.
The American legal system is corrupt enough, which is why there are laws against selling evidence, it still happens all the time.
Finally, your HUNCH may be correct, there may be evidence on those tapes. However, you refer to a "somebody" that may have tipped the police off. Not very specific. My hunch is this is another publicity stunt by the LA PD because I think Watson has a parole hearing coming up pretty soon. Also, I think these tapes are in Texas, it remains to be seen if a Texas judge will allow them to be examined by someone from California.
Sunset, you are making a big leap in assuming that the tapes contained evidence which would have been beneficial to Watson in his trial, thus selling the tapes would have been wrong.
Also, re the Texas/California judge comment, bankruptcy is a Federal Court matter, not a state. Federal judges are not as likely to have a bias that you suggest state judges would hold.
"Sunset, you are making a big leap in assuming that the tapes contained evidence which would have been beneficial to Watson in his trial"
I don't remember saying or assuming that these tapes contained any evidence beneficial to Watson. The only people these tapes benefited were Boyd who sold them to make money, and possibly the police that may find evidence of other crimes on the them. It probably wouldn't have made any difference to Watson if these tapes even existed or not.
My point is that no lawyer should have sold his clients confession for personal gain, even if Watson told him to, his lawyer should have known better. That is unless his lawyer is a shyster criminal. I know something of lawyers, I've been housed on death row myself.
Also, I didn't know that bankruptcy cases were handled by Federal Courts, that was my mistake, sorry.
Jesse2112 said... As far as Stabby Tex goes, I would of helped Boyd strap the skates on and give Stabby Tex a hard enough shove that he couldnt get out of the gas chamber. Everyone focuses on Charlie, But Tex is the worse one and I beleive he would of ended up killing folks regardless of Charlie.
I totally agree Jesse. It all comes down to the ones who DID it. Regarless of who ordered what. There were a thousand ways to get out of not doing it, for each and everyone of them. Maybe if Tex said "Fuck this shit, I don't want to kill anyone and go to prison." Pat may have said "Me either." Leslie or Sadie might have agreeed as well. At Cielo each one had several opportunities to simply sneek off unnoticed. I also think what people over look is Pat. She is just as bad as Tex. Two nights in a row.
I might again might buy the story that Linda and Sadie were scared their children would be harmed if they didn't do as TEX told them. Pat had no child there.
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Indeed...we are all waiting. I've been wanting to hear these tapes for quite awhile.
Ok, so I have a penchant for noticing little bits of irony and other things that matter very little , LOL.
So, right after Commander Andrew Smith speaks (the shave-head in the still photo) they zoom in on a copy of the court filing. Has anyone other than me noticed that the Lieutenant who submitted that court filing's first name is "Yana"?
First, any lawyer that would sell his clients confession would have to pretty shady to start with. This is a theme I'm beginning to notice frequently, people trying to make money from books and movies. Boyd probably took a check for Watson's confession with one hand, while handing Watson a pair of roller skates to the gas chamber with the other.
Secondly, it's my personal opinion that the cops don't have the foggiest idea whats on those tapes, or at least very little, that this is simply a "fishing expedition", much like the digging at Barker for the last 4 years that has produced nothing except publicity.
Finally, I'm pretty sure the cop in this video is a Klingon, notice the malformed ears.
For the families of the murder victims sake, I think they should jump at ANY oppurtunity or chance to solve their murders. As far as Stabby Tex goes, I would of helped Boyd strap the skates on and give Stabby Tex a hard enough shove that he couldnt get out of the gas chamber. Everyone focuses on Charlie, But Tex is the worse one and I beleive he would of ended up killing folks regardless of Charlie.
Sunset, my take is that Boyd did a fine job representing a client who had no hope - other than maybe escaping execution. He kept these tapes secret until Watson requested that he turn them over to Hoeksta for the purpose of his book, I think around 1978.
These are only becoming public now because of a bankruptcy filing. In bankruptcy, the filer lists all assets no matter how trivial. That's likely what put these on the radar screen of the LAPD and the media. BUT, you may be right about the LAPD fishing. These tapes may or may not contain anything of value. My hunch though (yeh, let's call it a hunch), is that somebody tipped them off as to the legal significance of the contents ;)
I think there will be nothing to it. Its going to be another false lead.
Thanx for that Matt.
Sure Watson had no hope, nevertheless, it was Boyd's obligation to protect and defend Watson as best he could. Selling his clients confession to make money, which almost certainly went to Boyd hardly falls into that category. Boyd could have easily destroyed these tapes at any time or never made them in first place, to protect Watson, Boyd almost certainly wanted to use them to make money for himself, which he probably did.
The American legal system is corrupt enough, which is why there are laws against selling evidence, it still happens all the time.
Finally, your HUNCH may be correct, there may be evidence on those tapes. However, you refer to a "somebody" that may have tipped the police off. Not very specific. My hunch is this is another publicity stunt by the LA PD because I think Watson has a parole hearing coming up pretty soon. Also, I think these tapes are in Texas, it remains to be seen if a Texas judge will allow them to be examined by someone from California.
Sunset, it is my belief that Watson "directed" Boyd to sell the tapes to Hoekstra. Thus getting his legal bills paid and getting his book rolling.
Sunset, you are making a big leap in assuming that the tapes contained evidence which would have been beneficial to Watson in his trial, thus selling the tapes would have been wrong.
Also, re the Texas/California judge comment, bankruptcy is a Federal Court matter, not a state. Federal judges are not as likely to have a bias that you suggest state judges would hold.
Dilligaf said...
"Sunset, you are making a big leap in assuming that the tapes contained evidence which would have been beneficial to Watson in his trial"
I don't remember saying or assuming that these tapes contained any evidence beneficial to Watson. The only people these tapes benefited were Boyd who sold them to make money, and possibly the police that may find evidence of other crimes on the them. It probably wouldn't have made any difference to Watson if these tapes even existed or not.
My point is that no lawyer should have sold his clients confession for personal gain, even if Watson told him to, his lawyer should have known better. That is unless his lawyer is a shyster criminal. I know something of lawyers, I've been housed on death row myself.
Also, I didn't know that bankruptcy cases were handled by Federal Courts, that was my mistake, sorry.
Jesse2112 said...
As far as Stabby Tex goes, I would of helped Boyd strap the skates on and give Stabby Tex a hard enough shove that he couldnt get out of the gas chamber. Everyone focuses on Charlie, But Tex is the worse one and I beleive he would of ended up killing folks regardless of Charlie.
I totally agree Jesse. It all comes down to the ones who DID it.
Regarless of who ordered what.
There were a thousand ways to get out of not doing it, for each and everyone of them. Maybe if Tex said "Fuck this shit, I don't want to kill anyone and go to prison."
Pat may have said "Me either."
Leslie or Sadie might have agreeed as well. At Cielo each one had several opportunities to simply sneek off unnoticed.
I also think what people over look is Pat. She is just as bad as Tex. Two nights in a row.
I might again might buy the story that Linda and Sadie were scared their children would be harmed if they didn't do as TEX told them.
Pat had no child there.
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