Sadie's new book

Thanks to "our Grump" for this find. At first I got all excited before I read the description, thinking she didnt take it all to her grave and that cold hearted bitch would tell us something. Then I knew that would be to good to be true. It appears to be just a collection of her Christian monthly newsletter she sent to her supporters. *Sigh*

The Dove's Nest Newsletters: A Collection of Christian Newsletters

Author Ms. Susan Atkins Whitehouse

Publication Date: October 31, 2010
The Dove's Nest Newsletters is a collection of 62 Christian newsletters written by Susan Atkins Whitehouse between 1996 and 2002, while incarcerated. Susan Atkins Whitehouse was arrested in 1969 and spent the next 40 years in prison for her part in the Charles Manson crimes. She was born again in 1974 and spent the rest of her life fulfilling the Great Commission - to bring
the Word of the saving Grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to the world.
She passed away in 2008, the longest serving woman prisoner in US history.

http://www.amazon.com/Doves-Nest-Newsletters-Collection-Christian/dp/0983136408/ref=sr_1_35?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322595907&sr=1-35

"The Manson Girls" Movie

FROM VARIETY- http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118046370?categoryid=13&cs=1&cmpid=RSS|News|FilmNews November 19, 2011

'Manson Girls' quietly starts production

Lensing begins nearly a year after Sundance announcement

By Dave McNary

"Manson Girls," focusing on the female followers of cult leader Charles Manson, has quietly started production nearly a year after the project was announced at Sundance.

Susanna Lo is producing via her Slomotion Studios and directing from her own script. Cast includes Taryn Manning as Sadie Atkins; Tania Raymonde as Leslie Van Houten; Monica Keena as Squeaky Fromme; Stella Maeve as Linda Kasabian; Estella Warren as Catherine Share; Chad Faust as Tex Watson; Ron Jeremy as a porn director; Bill Moseley as Manson.

Judy Fox, Brett Cranford and Taryn Manning are also producing "Manson Girls," which focuses on the period leading up to the 1969 murders of nine people. Manson and three followers were convicted in 1971 in the slayings.

Lo told Variety that she's aiming to illustrate how and why the girls came under Manson's command.

"The girls were all very talented but it was a very seductive time," she said. "We really don't want to sensationalize the story any further than it already has been. I've always been fascinated by how the girls came under the spell of this strange, manipulative man.

To read the rest-http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118046370?categoryid=13&cs=1&cmpid=RSS|News|FilmNews

The article also says Lo is aiming to complete production in time for the Cannes Film Festival. (What a coincidence! I received my invitation to Cannes just yesterday). Next year the Cannes Independent Film Festival week will be May 16-27. Maybe we will really see this one?

Why do people think I avoid the DNA?

This comment was left today on our post regarding Matthew Roberts on SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2011. We have no way to verify its authenticity, but I think it's him:

Why do people think I avoid the dna? I've done everything I can to get dna. Has anyone stopped to think how hard it might be to get dna from charley manson? Ill tell you what- anyone who thinks its so easy u go ahead and get me that dna and I promise I won't disapoint you. Why you are at it call a lab and ask them if they can test with hair older than 10 dAys and may or may not contain the folicle attached. Then call the prison and ask them if prisoners are allowed to lick their own envelopes. Then ask what would happen to you if you were caught smuggling out items that you think have dna on them out of the prison. There is a lot to consider. matthew roberts

By matthew roberts on Tonight on Star City Radio - Matthew Roberts at 12:38 AM

Either way it's Sharon's ring

Thanks to MrStormsurge and Stacey for the heads ups.

From TMZ ~~ 11/22/2011

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/22/sharon-tate-engagement-ring-auction/

Sharon Tate Jewelry for sale from grisly murder.

Murdered actress Sharon Tate's engagement ring - the one she was said to be wearing when she was stabbed to death by the Manson Family can now be yours, TMZ has learned. If you're willing to drop at least $10,000.

According to the auction house hocking the ring,Tate's husband director Roman Polanski removed it from her finger when he was identifying her body at the morgue. He proposed to her with it in 1967.

For those who forget -- Sharon and her unborn child were brutally murdered in 1969 by followers of Charles Manson Police were unable to determine a motive.

The ring hits the auction block on November 30th at GottaHaveRockandRoll.com along with a ton of other Hollywood and music memorabilia.

UPDATE: There are multiple stories that it was Roman Polanski's agent William Tennant and not Roman himself who identified Tate's body at the morgue. Roman was not in the country at the time.

Eviliz typed "Sharon Tate" in TMZ's searchbox - and found this also dated 11/22/11:

Sharon Tate's sister Debra "She was not wearing ring when murdered.

Sharon Tate "engagement ring" hitting the auction block next week was NOT taken off the actresses' dead hand after she was murdered because she was NOT wearing any rings at the time of her death,this according to Sharon's sister Debra.

Debra tells TMZ the ring featured in an upcoming auction on GottaHaveRockndRoll.com DID belong to the actress but she gave it away to a family friend long before she was killed by the Manson family in 1969.

Debra tells us the ring was not an "official" engagement ring but rather an "unofficial symbol of her relationship" with Roman Polanski. Debra says, "The ring was not Sharon's style and she never wore it." Debra says Polanski later gave Sharon an "official" engagement ring - a gold and diamond band "which she treasured."

Despite the auction house's claim, Debra is adamant Sharon was NOT wearing ANY rings on her finger at the time of her death adding, "Because Sharon was pregnant, she couldn't fit any rings on her finger."

Sharon was two weeks away from her due date when she was murdered. So far, no comment from the auction site.

The 1973 JC Superstar Bus

Patty unfortunately does not get to go on her Thanksgiving Road Trip due to a stupid midterm. BOO! So what's the next best thing? Why, streaming the 1973 Andrew Lloyd Weber "Jesus Christ, Superstar" of course! Do y'all remember the opening scene when the whole crew gets off of a big, Manson-esque bus? The similarities are really creepy. This could be The Family, save for the one dude wearing a Coca-Cola T-shirt. Damn, they were even doing product placement way back then!

He IS perfect for Sandy

Mason posing at the site of Rockwell's 1967 murder

James Mason is maybe as close as anyone could get to being a genuine lifelong Nazi. Having started out as a teenage supporter of Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater and George Wallace, in 1966 his life changed forever when he was loaned a book about extremist politics (Extremism USA) and liked what he read there about the Nazis. At the age of only 14 he joined the miniscule American Nazi Party (ANP). Sometime after that, still aged only 16, he ran away from his home in Ohio to join the ANP headquarters in Arlington, Virginia. There he lived for a number of years, working alongside the Ku Klux Klan to organize attacks on leftists and civil rights and anti-war protesters as well as helping with the general running of America's main (albeit tiny) Fascist party. He was admitted into full membership of the party on his eighteenth birthday. Here it was too that he was introduced to the ideas of one of his great heroes, George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder and leader of the ANP who had defiantly spurned bourgeois opinion by openly embracing Nazism and the Swastika (thus, in Rockwell's words crossing "the threshold of anger"). Shortly after renaming the party the National Socialist White People's Party (NSWPP) and adopting the slogan 'White Power', Rockwell was killed by a fellow Nazi in 1967 and the ANP was taken over by Matt Koehl, after which it splintered into a number of groups amidst of the usual welter of denunciations, accusations and counter-accusations familiar to any student of the extreme right.

From-http://www.whomakesthenazis.com/2010/10/michael-moynihans-seige-mentality.html

One more site-http://thescorp.multics.org/18siege.html

Order of the Rainbow-Calling Candy and Nuts

Well my friends, I tried my hardest to find some info something, anything about "The Oder of the Rainbow."

I could not find anything.

Candy and Nuts one of our members here does know a lot about the girls especially Red and Blue. Maybe she will be nice and write something up for us to learn more about it. I will be posting some info on "The International People's Court of Retribution."

Getting ready to watch the Natalie Wood case re opened.
Let's chat about it later.

Sandy and ?

Can anyone tell me who is the guy with Sandy on his lap? He is brave!

tex parole 2011

The last of the recent Tex pics

Natalie Wood case

Above - -the boat "Splendor" Natalie Wood disappeared from.

One day after the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department announced that it would be reopening its case in the death of actress Natalie Wood, the captain of the boat from which the actress drowned in 1981 spoke on NBC’s Today.

Dennis Davern said that he lied to investigators about the actress’ mysterious death 30 years ago, and then alleged that Woods’ husband at the time, Robert Wagner had something to do with her death, which had been classified as a tragic accident.

Wood died in 1981 at age 43 while boating off Santa Catalina Island, off the Southern California shore. She was with Wagner and Christopher Walken. The trio had dinner and drinks at Doug's Harbor Reef and then continued drinking aboard the boat, where Wagner and Walken began arguing. During the argument, Wood went to bed, and when Wagner came down to say goodnight, she was gone. Speculation has it that she accidentally slipped and fell overboard. However, others have speculated that a lover's quarrel between Wood and Wagner that had to do with Walken took place before the accident.

Read the rest HERE

ALSO- Susan Zirinsky and her team at CBS News magazine 48 Hours Mystery will be working well into the night to finish a segment about the death of Natalie Wood that they first started pursuing last summer.

It airs tomorrow night on CBS @ 10:00 p.m. EST

Ancestry of Charles Manson

compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner - He says that this study "should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative, but rather as a first draft", but it's been there for some time without updates. Enjoy...

http://www.wargs.com/other/manson.html

Comments?

Photo of Charles "Tex" Watson November 16,2011

Charles Watson November 16, 2011 parole hearing

Denied!

Manson follower 'Tex' Watson denied parole

By DON THOMPSON , Associated Press
Published: Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2011 - 11:24 pm
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The self-described right-hand man of cult leader Charles Manson, who was convicted of orchestrating the Tate-LaBianca slayings 42 years ago, was denied parole from a California prison Wednesday for the 14th time.

Charles "Tex" Watson, 65, was ordered to continue serving his life sentence after a hearing at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, in the Sierra foothills 50 miles southeast of Sacramento.
A two-member panel of the California Board of Parole Hearings ruled that he cannot seek a new parole hearing for another five years, said Terry Thornton, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Four relatives of Watson's victims asked that his parole be denied for killing actress Sharon Tate, who was eight months pregnant, and four others at her Beverly Hills home on Aug. 9, 1969. The next night, he helped kill grocery owners Leno and Rosemary LaBianca.

"There's no question these were some of the most horrific crimes in California history in terms of the brutality, the multiple stab wounds, the gunshots, the large number of victims over a two-day period," Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira said. "For a group of people to just slaughter strangers in hopes of igniting a race war is extremely horrifying."
Watson's attorney, Cheryl Montgomery, did not return repeated telephone messages.

Watson read a statement but did not answer questions from the parole officials during the nearly five-hour hearing, Sequeira said, leaving them without enough information to decide if he is ready to be released.

"Basically the prison panel found they could not measure his true remorse or his measure of understanding of what caused him to become involved in these gruesome murders," Sequeira said. "I think he lacks insight and understanding, I think he lacks true remorse. I think he has remorse for his being in prison all these years."

Sequeira said he believes Watson still is a public safety risk because "he's a man who is at the center of the Manson family. He was aware of all the crimes that all the Manson family members were involved in."

Watson married and divorced in prison and has four children from conjugal visits, but his family did not respond to a request for comment that was left through the website that promotes Watson's prison ministry, http://www.aboundinglove.org.

The website says he was raised in Copeville, Texas, north of Dallas, and headed to California in 1967 after dropping out of college. A brief biographical sketch on the site said Watson believed Manson "offered utopia, but in reality, he had a destructive world view, which Charles ended up believing in and acting upon. His participation in the 1969 Manson murders is a part of history that he deeply regrets."

A book he wrote while in prison is titled, "Manson's Right-Hand Man Speaks Out!" In the past, Watson has argued that he is a changed man who has been a model prisoner and no longer is a danger to the public.

He did not attend his last parole hearing in 2006 but was portrayed in a psychiatric evaluation at the time as "a very devout fundamentalist Christian ... a young, naive and gullible man (who) got into drugs and bizarre company without appreciating the deviance of the company he was keeping."

Anthony DiMaria, a nephew of victim Jay Sebring, contested that view of Watson and other Manson disciples.

"They've often been portrayed as these victims of Manson, and they are killers. They're mass murderers," DiMaria said in a telephone interview before the hearing.

He attended the hearing with his mother and sister.

Debra Tate also spoke on behalf of her late sister, Sharon, who at the time was married to film director Roman Polanski.

Watson was convicted in a separate trial after Manson and three female followers were found guilty of the seven murders. Their death sentences were commuted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972.

DiMaria said his mother has considered it her mission to speak out on behalf of her brother.
"I know that our family, myself included, feel no hatred, anger or vengeance toward them. We actually go out of love for the victims, and we also go out of justice. This is calculated, cold-blooded mass murder in which bodies were desecrated," DiMaria said. "We want to bring the memories of the victims into the room as the commissioners deliberate on whether to parole the inmate."

Pretty Cappy

How pretty Cappy looks in this photo! Susan Atkins looks pretty in about 10% of her photos. Same for Leslie.

Let's beat the dead horse and add a twist to it for a few days while we wait on Tex's denial.

Name your Top three prettiest M Girls and- who do you think has aged the best.

Monrovia HS Sweethearts

Leslie Van Houten and Robert Austin Mackie met when they were both students at Monrovia High School. According to Vincent Bugliosi, Leslie fell deep in love with Mackie and was profoundly upset when their relationship ended. At the age of 14, Leslie became pregnant and subsequently had an abortion. Mackie became involved with the Self Realization Fellowship and Leslie joined him - preparing herself to become a Zen Buddhist nun. We all know how that didn't quite work out for her. After leaving the Fellowship, Leslie embarked on her lost journey, finding acceptance and love with the other lost souls that would become her Family. During Leslie's retrials in the 1970's, Mackie testified to defend himself against accusation made by Van Houten that he introduced her to LSD and was to blame for her rampant drug use. He also, quite interestingly, remarked that he and Leslie had sex at least "100 to 150" times when they would see each other.  Intense, indeed. Mackie is happily married and is still involved with the teachings and practices of Buddhism. He is a respected painter and sculpture artist.

There is a book titled 'Snapping" that contains a chapter written by the authors who visited Van Houten in the late 1970's to discuss, what they believe, was Leslie's brainwashing while under Manson's control and her struggle to come free. It's quite a good chapter and is available on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Snapping-Americas-Epidemic-Sudden-Personality/dp/0964765004

Contributed by Knievel

This Day in Manson History - Karl Stubbs is Murdered

Retired Spiritualist & Author Karl Stubbs murdered in Olancha, CA this day November 15, 1968 -  43 years ago. Many theorize that Tex and two of the Manson Girls are responsible. What do you think?



To refresh your memory, read these two posts:

http://www.eviliz.com/2011/05/olancha.html
http://www.eviliz.com/2011/05/more-on-stubbs-murder.html

Pics for sale on E-Bay

Watson

Above- The Watson home in Nevada, Texas

The Watson families now defunct general store in Nevada, Texas



The United Methodist Church the Watson's attend in Copeville, Texas

photos from www.network54.com

I sold wigs with Tex

http://www.paulmorantz.com/cult/escape-from-cielo-dr-a-tale-of-three-charlies/

"The Manson Girls" Movie

Eviliz has kept in sporadic contact with Susanna Lo since the February interview. I personally have been meaning to e-mail her with a few questions of my own. If you have questions for her your, post them here in the comments and I will ask her for another interview.

Shoshone, CA

The Grump from Pahrump writes:

From page 242 of little Paul's book

"I worked with Brooks and Crockett doing town maintenance for the Charles Brown Company; we worked our asses off; did everything-trimmed trees, painted buildings, laid concrete, dug ditches, pumped cesspools."

As you can see, it looks like the company still exists.

Also on page 242

"In late November we moved out of the cave and rented a house on the main highway across the street from the high-school football field."

There are 3 old small houses across from said field. 2 old(er) locals at the General Store insist that it was this house (The one I took the picture of)

If you think they are worth posting go for it!

Grrrrrrrr

Tonight on Star City Radio - Matthew Roberts

Tonight on starcityradio.com is Matthew Roberts. As you remember, Roberts claims that he is the son of Charles Manson as the result of a drug-fueled orgy/rape of his biological mother.

But then again, Man Hands thinks she has her toes in the gene pool too:

http://www.eviliz.com/2011/05/charlie-is-my-daddy-too.html

Be sure to tune in tonight at 8:00 ET:

http://www.starcityradio.com/live

Happy Belated Birthday!!!!!

I completely forgot yesterday was Charlie's 77th birthday.

My bad. I have never been good remembering birthdays

or funerals.

Manson Girl's Movie Updates

Director Susanna Lo tells us that Birch's father/manager, Jack Birch, has caused a ruckus in the production and Thora will pay the price by getting ousted from the much-coveted role of Sandra Good in the film Manson Girls (Lindsay Lohan was once slated to star in the movie, but I think we all know what happened with that). Heather Matarazzo is still on board to play Sadie Atkins."Thora is a great actress," says Lo, "but there have been several problems with her father/manager that make it too difficult to work things out in an ensemble cast situation where everything needs to be balanced and fair to the whole cast. You can quote me on that. On Wednesday, January 5, you will see a fresh Breakdown go out recasting the role of Sandra Good, which Thora was originally set to play."Thanks, Dad!Dad Jack is an ex porn star (he and Birch’s mother, Carol Connors, were both in Deep Throat) and he's a fucking creep, according to accounts of his assholism on the set of Thora's 2008 thriller Winter of Frozen Dreams. He reportedly threatened “kill the assistant directors” and “pull her from the movie with three days of shooting left”. THEN he got her fired on Dec 14th, 2010 from the stage production of Dracula in New York City. She was playing Lucy Westerner. And now? Now she's fired from Manson Girls, which sounded like a perfect vehicle for Birch's downbeat sensuality and intense ability. But Daddy had to screw it up by being a jerkwad.Lo plans to have Birch's replacement by January 24th. Not only is the film supposed to start shooting in February 2011, but Lo will be giving a press conference through Associated Press at the Sundance Film Festival at the Gibson Guitar Lodge on January 24th, where she and the rest of the cast will announce Birch's replacement. The news will be streaming live on the AP Live website, the Warner Brothers Music site and the Gibson Guitar site.

I'm hornier than Ron Jeremy

We're not kidding. Ron Jeremy. And he plays a pornographer.We're following director Susanna Lo's film Manson Girl's, which focuses on Charles Manson's follower Sandra Good, who is played by the talented Thora Birch, quite closely, and the director informs us that two new cast members, the beloved Priscilla Barnes and the crazy Ron Jeremy, are both playing dramatic roles in the biopic.Priscilla Barnes, who horror film fans will recognize from Rob Zombie's The Devil's Rejects is "Mrs. Atkins", follower Sadie Atkin's mom (did we forget to mention that talented Heather Matarazzo will be playing Sadie Atkins?) and former porn actor Ron Jeremy will be doing a cameo as Van Guyldrl,the director of the porn film The Ramrodder which two Manson followers, Catherine Share (aka "Gypsy") and Bobby Beausoleil, starred in together.

SUSANNA LO INTERVIEWS BILL MOSELEY

Moseley will be playing Charlie in the Manson Girls Movie.

I ran into Bill Moseley, aka Charles Manson in Manson Girls, at the Viscera Film Festival, a festival dedicated to horror films directed by women, where Bill was definitely the hit of the party. We started talking about our upcoming shoot and some of Bill's unique and quirky interpretations of his film roles, violent people versus sexual people and movies in general.

Susanna Lo: Many people seem to view Manson Girls as a horror film. Do you? And if not, what type of film do you believe it is?

Bill Moseley: I'd say Manson Girls is not a horror movie. The characters and situations are certainly horrific, but the movie itself is more a drama.

Susanna Lo: You are a classically trained actor, a Yale Drama graduate, who has given brilliant performances in many films as a character actor. And yet, you are most famous for playing twisted, sinister characters like Otis from Rob Zombie's House of a Thousand Corpses and The Devil's Reject. What is it about you that makes you so good in these bad-guy roles, and do you think Charles Manson, who you will be portraying in Manson Girls, is more than just your average villain?

Bill Moseley: Normally, I'd say that I'm as baffled as you that such a nice guy (me) can play such twisted characters with such authenticity and relish, but I'm hungry now, I'm on the road, there's nothing to eat in my mother-in-law's larder and the monster is beginning to rise! I see Charles Manson as the product of his times, his upbringing, a person endowed with certain people skills, ambitions and insecurities that all mixed together to create the "monster" he became. If you watch some of his interviews on YouTube, you'll see, on the good side, that he's bright, got a sense of humor and poetry in his soul. It's his dark side that scares the hell out of us, and for good reason!

Susanna Lo: If you were given the choice to play the lead hero or the lead villain in a film, both parts equally well-written, which would you prefer and why?

Bill Moseley: I don't really think in those terms, hero vs. villain, etc. When I play "psychos," for instance, my first rule of thumb is to believe that I'm the only sane guy in the room. If the parts were equally well-written and equally well-compensated, I'd probably end up flipping a coin.

Susanna Lo: You will be singing along with The Doobie Brothers on the soundtrack for Manson Girls, doing an original take of The Doors classic, Five to One. Do you have a musical background? And what do you think about having The Doobies and the cast of Manson Girls joining forces to create the film's soundtrack?

Bill Moseley: I've always been a Doors and a Doobies fan, so the opportunity to sing Five to One is as fulfilling as it is exciting. My musical background goes as far back as playing trombone, tuba and sousaphone in my grade school band, piano lessons that went nowhere (especially when I picked up the bongos!) and singing in my prep school choir. I've been in three bands in my life: the Moseley Brothers Band (with brothers Bruce & Dan); Cornbugs (with guitar god Buckethead); and Spider Mountain (with Rani Sharone). I also sang the part of Luigi Largo in the movie Repo! The Genetic Opera with the likes of Sarah Brightman, Paul Sorvino and Paris Hilton, and I've added vocals to albums by Oghr (Devils in my Details), Generichrist and Necrophagia.

Susanna Lo: Manson Girls will be a film more known for its representation of the overt sexuality and the carefree nudity that was an emblem of the 1960's. It’s something that is already causing a lot of controversy with funders and producers who were concerned it would earn a X-rating if shot in the way it is written on page. The film will also downplay the violence and the murders, literally avoiding any depiction of the Tate/LaBianca murders. Why do you think Hollywood and America has so many issues with sex and nudity and seems to turn a blind eye to violence, at times even encouraging violence in films, especially against women?

Bill Moseley: Glad we're finishing with an easy question! I'm kind of Mr. In-Between on this: I've played a number of violent characters, killing both men and women joyfully, indiscriminately, and I'm the father of two girls. Would I rather see violence in a movie or sex? Depends on the day, on my mood. Am I surprised that there's more resistance to a "brazen" depiction of nudity and free love than some psycho murdering women? Not really, that just seems to be a market preference. You'd have to query a social psychologist for the answer to why that is. I don't pretend to know the answer. Sex and violence are both powers, often intertwined, hard to control, impossible to take your eyes off of. And, Charles Manson for a while held both sets of reins and unleashed some real hell on his fellow human beings. We all have these powers. Guess it just comes down to how we use them, enjoy them.

Spahn Ranch featured in 2011 High Places Video

While we are on the subject of new pop music, the stuff coming out NOW, check out this trippy ambient tune that's video was recently filmed in and around Spahn Ranch! High Places most recently released an album on October 11 of this year.

http://www.shft.com/watching/high-places-altos-lugares/

Kasabian - The Band

Maybe you have heard of them already, maybe you have not. They once said in an interview that they took Bob & Linda's name because it "sounds interesting." It is kinda fun to say. Come on, try it with Patty now: "Kasabian. Kasabian. Kasabian." Linda herself has commented that she thinks they are pretty good!

Kasabian will be playing New Year's 2012 in London's O2 arena. Yes, folks, they are getting BIG. Check out this video on you tube: Their lead singer seems to resemble what would happen if Michael Hutchence and Damon Albarn had a baby. Makes Patty a little "homesick" for the UK: Manchester, 1990 is now known as "the second summer of love" and yes, Patty was there. From what she rememebrs, which is not much.

You can hear their newest single on Youtube, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k7VldHaIbE

Catherine Gillies

Some little known facts about "Cappy" (Catherine Gillies):

An "extremely" reliable source tells us that she is still upset she was not chosen to go out on the murders. She said she supports her brothers and sisters in prison. She makes a very passionate argument that the murders were the right thing to do for those times.

Signs her name "Silver". We don't know if that is an "Order of the Rainbow" name or not.

Another source who communicates with her says, "Cathy doesn't put down anyone or say mean things about anyone. She is a very pleasant person. Sure she'll tell funny stories about folks but will not make mean comments".

Catherine Gillies (2011)

Catherine Gillies on left (Undated)

Thora Birch dropped from Manson Girls movie

Thora Birch is dropped from Susanna Lo's thriller biopic of Manson follower Sandra Good. Director Susanna Lo tells us that Birch's father/manager, Jack Birch, has caused a ruckus in the production and Thora will pay the price by getting ousted from the much-coveted role of Sandra Good in the film Manson Girls. "Thora is a great actress," says Lo, "but there have been several problems with her father/manager that it is dificult to work things out in an ensemble cast situation where everything needs to be balanced and fair to the whole cast. You can quote me on that. On Wednesday, January 5, you will see a fresh breakdown go out recasting the role of Sandra Good, which Thora was originally set to play ."Thanks, Dad! Dad Jack is an ex porn star (he and Birch’s mother, Carol Connors, were both in Deep Throat) and he's a fucking creep, according to accounts of his assholism on the set of Thora's 2008 thriller Winter of Frozen Dreams. Now she's fired from Manson Girls, which sounded like a perfect vehicle for Birch's downbeat sensuality and intense ability. But Daddy had to screw it up by being a jerkwad.

from www.planetfury.com

Sugar Daddy Manny

Poor old Manny! 66 year old Harold "Manny" Boro was Squeaky's sugar daddy during her Sacramento days in much the same way that George Spanh had been in Chatsworth. It is said that Squeaky "had a way with" older men, so when she met Manny on a park bench in 1975, the poor old coot fell hopelessly in love with her and showered her with gifts including an old station wagon and the colt .45 that she'd point at President Ford on September 5, 1975.

Manny lived, according to Jess Bravin's book, "at the end of Laughton Lane" in Jackson, CA. Jackson is a small gold rush community in the foothills about an hour's drive from Sacramento. Below is his historic home on what was once a 40-acre ranch:

above: front and back views of 205 Laughton Lane in Jackson, CA.

This Day in Manson History - Zero Dies

On November 5, 1969, John Phillip Haught died mysteriously after being shot in the head at the 28 Clubhouse in Venice, California. It was reported to be suicide (Russian Roulette), or perhaps he was murdered for knowing too much and talking too much to authorities. If you believe some people he just wanted to see what it was like to experience death and orgasm at the same time.

Fellow Family members, Bruce Davis (whose prints were on the gun) Catherine Gillies, Sue Bartell, and Little Patty were with him at the time of his death.

On April 29 of this year Ken posted this photo of 28 Clubhouse and more:

 

To view the others, follow this link:

http://www.mansonblog.com/2011/04/28-clubhouse-ave.html

This residence is less than 1 block from the apartment in Venice where Saladin Nader lived.

A READER WRITES:

Am I missing something; this is the second time you've pointed out Mark Ross's house and Zero's death and there's almost no interest. Isn't this supposed to be a website/blog where people go because they want to learn more about the Manson Family and the Tate/LaBianca massacre? Right from his book Helter Skelter Bugliosi writes: "On the night of Wednesday, November 5, a young man who might have been able to provide a solution to the Tate-LaBianca homicides ceased to exist. "Clue!" CEASED TO EXIST" Because Mark was an actor like Nader, I'm sure Mr. "B" was also taken by Linda's "piggy" remark concerning actors. Acting and Helter Skelter: now there's a thought.

You Can't Own The Truth

If you missed the Star City Radio "Truth" program last Sunday,
here it is - courtesy of Star City Radio and Brian Davis:

This is for Heidi Willett...

On February 5, Liz posted photos of  "Lauren & Heidi Willet with Frenemies". You can re-read it here:
 http://www.eviliz.com/2011/02/lauren-heidi-willet-with-frenemies.html 

Last night Cece, who knew the Willets and stayed in a nearby cabin at the Russian River resort posted the following message for Heidi. First-hand insight - the kind of stuff that makes this blog so worth it. Thank you, Cece. We hope Heidi still reads regularly. 

This is for Heidi Willett...

Heidi, I met both your mother and father while living next door to them in one of the cabins at the resort up in Guerneville, which were the cabins right on the banks of the Russian River.
I never in a million years would have suspected that they were part of a robbery gang, they seemed like such a loving couple.

Your mom used to carry you around in her arms and you were getting pretty heavy, so I gave her my baby backpack since I was using a new stroller instead for my little girl who was too heavy to be carried in a backpack.

Your mom was very shy and looked quite frightened most of the times I saw her and wouldn't talk with me. Your dad seemed so nice and loving to her and you that I couldn't figure out why she looked so worried. Now I know.

Your dad was a very friendly person, calm, easy going and was very kind to my elementary school age son and loved to take him catfishing at night on the river. My son adored your father and never had a bad word to say about him. They caught catfish using a lantern and I had to learn how to cook the one my son brought home. Shake'N'Bake for fish did the trick.

I was living up there with my two young children and my friend who I had met through my religion, the Baha'i Faith. We used to hold Baha'i meetings in our cabin on Saturday nights and sometimes your dad would ask if he could come in and listen to what we were talking about.

He wouldn't come into the main room where we were all sitting around, instead he would sit out in the kitchen at our wooden picnic table and listen all by himself.

One night when he was sitting there listening, we heard someone pounding on our door, opened it and were startled to see "Spider" Craig holding a large commercial size mayonaise jar full of Tarantulas. "Spider" looked past us at your dad and then said "here's a present for you girls." We said "no thank you", he turned away smiling and we closed the door.

We didn't even know "Spider" knew your father. We had just heard some really scary stories about "Spider's" violent behavior around town, so we tried to steer clear of him.

A few days later we heard that your dad's body was found. And then later that your mother's body was found in Stockton. My friends and I were very sad about this, but my young son was very upset.

One night shortly after your parents' deaths my friend and I decided to say prayers for your mom and dad. After we were done, I asked my friend what she thought they were thinking because I had some feelings that I wanted to verify. She said that she felt at first that they were both annoyed and mad at us for praying, that they felt we didn't know them well enough to pray for them, but then as we continued to say prayers out loud for them, they became calm and then happy and grateful we were praying for them.

Those was exactly the same feelings I picked up while saying the prayers...anger, then calming down then gratitude.

I certainly hope both your parents are blessed and can rest in peace.

I've always wondered if perhaps your dad's contact with my Baha'i friends caused him to try and back out of the robbery gang. That makes me sad to think this but at the same time happy that perhaps he and your mom are blessed because of what he attempted to do to protect you and your mom.

Wishing you every happiness and peace Heidi...you were a darling, sweet-faced baby girl and very loved by both your parents.

Cece