are they the ugliest,just down right scariest bunch? they look so GREASED out.the mugshots now look so dated obviously 42 years after, but even back then when first taken the pics have a Ma Barker, Jesse Jamesesque feel to them.
Hey Matt, I've got more stuff I'm trying to email, but they keep being returned. The image size isn't to large, don't know what to do. Started last night.
Matt I dont think that's TJ. But 4g definitely is. And I think that is Sandy next to him. And 4d id Nancy, next to Schram. And thanks Ken for the clarity.
Suze, I also think you are correct. I've changed my mind, that's Harold True. He was arrested in connection with TLB during Bugliosi's purges. He arrested everyone he could think of & threatened them hoping to get information and witnesses.
That would make TJ 4G - as biglittlepatty says.
I also think 3H is Johnny Swarts (owner of the TLB car)
I have plugged this blog a few times- so pardon me just once to mention another- as it is related...
over at L/S he has a interview tape posted currently of a women who calls Harold True and talks to him for about 9 min..
it is the funniest thing on this subject I have ever heard... I would do it no justice to list quotes...
suffice to say- I had to listen to it several times as i kept laughing over him answering her questions in the most belligerent and stoned manner in which you could ever imagine..
he also made quite a few interesting quotes about the Labiancas and the family which may or may not be true..
Man......what a gnarly bunch of riff-raff. I don't see anything resembling what might be called a hippie. These people look more like alcoholic/drug addicted street people or carnies.
I agree Matt. 3b is definitely H. True. I do see alot of faces in here I have never seen before though. Do you guys agree with me about 4f being Sandy? I swear it's her, but I have been known to be wrong...
Wait a minute...just realized somethin'...which mug shot of Linda K. is this? I have only seen the one where she is smiling and looking slightly upwards...the famous one. So what the hell is this one?
Row 5 - Bruce, Lynn, Sue maybe, Ruth, Little Patty maybe, Crystal, STACEY FROM THE BLOG, Linda, Collie, Hoyt
Row 6- HIPPIE CHICK,Vance, Paul, That dude named Frank who posts on the blogs ( yes i know the avatar Frank uses is really charlie from a movie but he still looks like Frank) ?, me Eviliz, ?, Zero
We know about the main players. I wonder what happened to all the others that were in the family. There were a lot! I know there is no real answer to this, but that's what I think when I look at this image.
biglittlepatty said... I agree Matt. 3b is definitely H. True. I do see alot of faces in here I have never seen before though. Do you guys agree with me about 4f being Sandy?
Mmmm, I don't think that's Sandy. I think 1E is Sandy
Row 6- HIPPIE CHICK,Vance, Paul, That dude named Frank who posts on the blogs ( yes i know the avatar Frank uses is really charlie from a movie but he still looks like Frank)
Not me! And the pic I use is not Charlie either ...
Does whoever posted these pics have the answers? If not, a lot of these are on MT's website ..
I can name them all. These came from my personal mug shot collection with all named. Trivia: One man's name is Charles Beard, aliases Charles A Manson and Charles A Watson.
Oh, and that one everyone thinks is Zero, is not. It's Robert Earl Murray. Unless that was Zero's alias at the time. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/unled1qwj.jpg/
Charles Manson Bobby BeauSoleil Danny DeCarlo Steve Grogan Sandra Good Al Springer Kenneth Bell Susan Atkins Bruce Hall Charles Allen Beard Leslie Van Houten Shery Cooper Suzanne Scott Ella Jo Bailey Mary Brunner Patricia Krenwinkel Bryan Lukashevsky Catherine Share David Hannum Larry Craven Phil Phillips Harold True Charles Watson Juan Flynn Larry Bailey Mark Bloodworth Damien Sue Bartell Johnny Scwartz Vern Plumlee Stephen Palazzo Karate David Lipsett Colleen Sinclair Stephanie Schram Nancy Pitman Diane Lake Kathryn Lutesinger Thomas Walleman Allen Delisle Catherine Gillies Charlee Griffin Bruce Davis Lynette Fromme Laura Shepard Ruth Anne Morehouse Madeline Cottage Maria Alonzo Barbara Rosenberg Linda Kasabian Diane Von Ahn Barbara Hoyt Claudia Smith William Vansicle Paul Watkins Jack Gordon Carol Loveless Ruth Gordon Raymond Petrizzo Robert Murray Thomas Galella Robert Reinhard
Does anyone know anything about Robert Earl Murray? I ask because his arrest record lists his home address as being in the same town I come from. I can't find any info on him at all, anywhere.
I know Laura Sheppard and these comments are so hurtful. At 63 years old, she still suffers from PTSD over her time with the family and has not been able to return to a normal life. When she returned home soon after this photo was taken, she weighed 98 lbs at 5ft 8. She was completely emaciated and pregnant (baby did not survive). The romanticism of this man and the family is horrifying, and its recent reglorification, unsettling.
Just Me, A few years ago, around 2006, when Jane Doe #59's case was reopened law enforcement asked a number of then Manson related sites if they had any idea where Laura Sheppard was or if that was even her true name as they were unable to find her. It was thought that she might be Jane Doe #59. As far as I know no one was able to give LE any leads. Did LE ever make contact with Laura? Please contact Matt or myself via the email addresses in the upper right of the home page.
They are probably referring to all the websites and fandom devoted to Manson being innocent (and a prophet), to all the Manson-related merchandise, the admiration he and the family still bizarrely receive from some quarters.
Glorification does actually mean receiving unjustifiable admiration.
If you don't think such glorification has occurred, then I don't know what to tell you.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
the girl between Squeaky and Ouish is soooo ugly it looks like she got fed baseball bats and crowbars....maybe even the occasional dodge bumper
ReplyDeleteand the guy third from the top on the far right....he didn't just get hit with the ugly stick he got hit with the whole damn tree
Yeah, that dude looks like Bozo's evil twin ... on acid.
ReplyDelete1a) Charlie
ReplyDelete1b) Bobby B.
1d) Clem
1h) Sadie
2a) Leslie
2d) Ella
2e) Mary
2f) Katie
2h) Gypsy
3b) TJ
3c) Tex
3d) Juan Flynn
3g) Sue Bartell
3f) Vern Plumlee
4d) Stephanie Schram
4e) Brenda
4f) Snake
4j) Cappy
5a) DDD
5b) Squeaky
5d) Ouisch
5e) Little Patty?
5h) Linda
5j) Hoyt
6h) Zero
That's the best I can do without cheating.
was bobby? I meant..
ReplyDeleteLet me put myself out there and take the chance of embarrassing myself (again)....
ReplyDeleteBobby wants arrested in any of the spahn raids????
or is this just a collage of pictures of people who were at Spahn???
Matt that's not bad lol
gotcha
ReplyDeleteJust a collection of mugs.
ReplyDeleteI was only able to get a few...and that guy does look like a clown. That's why clowns are scary.
ReplyDeleteMatt isn't the guy between Bobby and Clem- Danny?
ReplyDelete1- c I think in your order
ALL Charlies!
ReplyDeleteI think that the girl, bottom row, fifth from the left is Liz.
ReplyDeleteCharlie,Bobby,Danny,Clem,Sandy,-,-,Susan,-,-
ReplyDeleteLeslie,-,-,Ella Jo,Mary,Pat,Bryan,Gypsy,-,Vern
-,True,Tex,Juan,-,Bailey,Bartell,Swartz,Vern(again),FREAK
-,Collen,Schram,Brenda,Snake,Kitty,TJ,-,Cappy,-
Bruce,Lynn,-,Ruth,-,Alonzo,-,Linda,Von something,Hoyt
-,-,Paul,-,Eviliz,-,-,Zero,-,-
First time I've ever seen a picture of Sandy with glasses.
ReplyDeleteMatt,
ReplyDeleteI hope you're going to cheat and give us a key when the thread plays out.
are they the ugliest,just down right scariest bunch? they look so GREASED out.the mugshots now look so dated obviously 42 years after, but even back then when first taken the pics have a Ma Barker, Jesse Jamesesque feel to them.
ReplyDeleteThat's too much work for one guy. Help me out!
ReplyDeleteWhich time did Ella get arrested? She left before the raids and she wasn't one of the ones in Mendocino, right?
ReplyDeleteHey Matt, I've got more stuff I'm trying to email, but they keep being returned. The image size isn't to large, don't know what to do. Started last night.
ReplyDeleteI think Ella Jo was arrested when the bus was stuck in the creek and the girls were in the wooded area nude.
ReplyDeleteMatt I dont think that's TJ. But 4g definitely is. And I think that is Sandy next to him. And 4d id Nancy, next to Schram. And thanks Ken for the clarity.
ReplyDeleteMatt/Liz and anyone else up in the Northeast..
ReplyDeleteStay safe, and be careful with this storm...
living down here in S. Fl- I can tell you from experience.... its worth it to be prepared
Weirdest episode of Celebrity Squares ever ! And to think that Blackie was gonna hand over world-power to these mugs. Jeez
ReplyDeleteMatt said... That's too much work for one guy. Help me out!
ReplyDeleteI'll try but, if you didn't save a copy of the names when you got the pictures, there could be a problem.
If 1c is Decarlo, then could 3b be Harold True??? Was he ever arrested in something related to the family?
ReplyDeleteFor the most part ugly, ugly people.
ReplyDeleteI think you are right Suze...
ReplyDeleteit very well might be Harold True...
When did he get arrested related to CM???
ReplyDeleteSuze, I also think you are correct. I've changed my mind, that's Harold True. He was arrested in connection with TLB during Bugliosi's purges. He arrested everyone he could think of & threatened them hoping to get information and witnesses.
ReplyDeleteThat would make TJ 4G - as biglittlepatty says.
I also think 3H is Johnny Swarts (owner of the TLB car)
Who's the lil' cutie second row down next to horseface? She'd be worth doing some jail time for.
ReplyDeleteI got a lot, but cheated on a couple:
ReplyDeleteRow 1 - Charlie, Bobby, Danny, Clem,Sandy, ? Brooks(?),Sadie, ?, ?
Row 2 - Leslie,Simi Valley Sherry, ?, Ella Jp, Mary, Patricia K, ?, Gypsy, Brian David Hanum, Larry Cravens
Row 3 - ?, Harold True, Tex, Juan, ?, Larry Bailey, Sue Bartell, Johnny Swartz, Vern, ?
Row 4, ?, Collie Sinclair, Stephanie, Nancy, Diane L. ?, TJ, Cappy, Allen Delisia
Row 5 - Bruce, Squeaky,Laura Shepherd (Julie Roberts), Ouish, Madeline Joan Cottage, ?, ? Linda, Diane Von Ahn, Barbara
Row 6 - Claudia Leigh Smith, Bill Vance, Paul W., ?, ?, ? Zero, ?, Robert Reinhardt.
Blogger adam said...
ReplyDeleteWho's the lil' cutie second row down next to horseface?
She is cute but, I'd pass on the jail time. The next one over looks like Sherry Cooper. She's cute too.
Speaking of Harold True...
ReplyDelete( Liz/Matt/Patty/Ken/Stacey and all)
I have plugged this blog a few times- so pardon me just once to mention another- as it is related...
over at L/S he has a interview tape posted currently of a women who calls Harold True and talks to him for about 9 min..
it is the funniest thing on this subject I have ever heard... I would do it no justice to list quotes...
suffice to say- I had to listen to it several times as i kept laughing over him answering her questions in the most belligerent and stoned manner in which you could ever imagine..
he also made quite a few interesting quotes about the Labiancas and the family which may or may not be true..
but were news to me
I have never seen Mother Mary looking more rancid then she does in that mugshot.
ReplyDeleteMan......what a gnarly bunch of riff-raff.
ReplyDeleteI don't see anything resembling what might be called a hippie.
These people look more like alcoholic/drug addicted street people or carnies.
Slippys maybe.
Slimys for sure.
I agree Matt. 3b is definitely H. True. I do see alot of faces in here I have never seen before though. Do you guys agree with me about 4f being Sandy? I swear it's her, but I have been known to be wrong...
ReplyDeleteWait a minute...just realized somethin'...which mug shot of Linda K. is this? I have only seen the one where she is smiling and looking slightly upwards...the famous one. So what the hell is this one?
ReplyDelete4f looks like Sandy to me too.
ReplyDeleteI'd say it's Kitty.
ReplyDeleteI DID NOT CHEAT!
ReplyDeleteROW 1- Charlie, Bobby, ? , Clem, Sandy, Ken from the blog
ROW 2- Leslie, PANAMINT PATTY, EllaJo, Mary, Katie,
Mark Ross, ? Juan Flynn maybe
ROW 3- Charlie maybe maybe not, Rheinhardt, Tex, ? ,? Bailey, Sue, Swartz, THE COLONEL DON MURPHY
Row 4 - ?, Collie, Stephanie, Brenda,Snake, ?, TJ.
MATT, Cappy, ?
Row 5 - Bruce, Lynn, Sue maybe, Ruth, Little Patty maybe, Crystal, STACEY FROM THE BLOG, Linda, Collie, Hoyt
Row 6- HIPPIE CHICK,Vance, Paul, That dude named Frank who posts on the blogs ( yes i know the avatar Frank uses is really charlie from a movie but he still looks like Frank)
?,
me Eviliz, ?, Zero
We know about the main players. I wonder what happened to all the others that were in the family. There were a lot! I know there is no real answer to this, but that's what I think when I look at this image.
ReplyDeleteI don't think 4F is Cappy or Sandy or anyone we know. I have seen that shot of Linda before, but I can't tell you where.
ReplyDeleteI also wonder what happened to the "lesser" family members. I wish one of them would speak up, time is running out.
Sandy is wearing glasses and Cappy is wearing the hat. I'd say it's Kitty because there isn't another image that could be Kitty.
ReplyDeletebiglittlepatty said...
ReplyDeleteI agree Matt. 3b is definitely H. True. I do see alot of faces in here I have never seen before though. Do you guys agree with me about 4f being Sandy?
Mmmm, I don't think that's Sandy. I think 1E is Sandy
eviliz said...
ReplyDeleteRow 6- HIPPIE CHICK,Vance, Paul, That dude named Frank who posts on the blogs ( yes i know the avatar Frank uses is really charlie from a movie but he still looks like Frank)
Not me! And the pic I use is not Charlie either ...
Does whoever posted these pics have the answers? If not, a lot of these are on MT's website ..
FrankM
I posted them, Frank. I don't have the answers but they can easily be looked-up.
ReplyDeleteI answered completely by memory and was wrong on a couple of them. I just thought it would be a fun exercise. Looks like a lot agree.
My fascination with the subject has more to do with the Family than CM or the motive so I had a blast trying to guess.
Yes, it was fun, and much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Matt
FrankM
I can name them all. These came from my personal mug shot collection with all named.
ReplyDeleteTrivia: One man's name is Charles Beard, aliases Charles A Manson and Charles A Watson.
Oh, and that one everyone thinks is Zero, is not. It's Robert Earl Murray. Unless that was Zero's alias at the time.
ReplyDeletehttp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/unled1qwj.jpg/
Scab,
ReplyDeleteWould you please put up all of the correct names. I can't get half of them.
Matt said...
ReplyDeleteI posted them, Frank. I don't have the answers but they can easily be looked-up.
Matt,
It was about as much fun a person can have and still be legal. Hopefully, Scabb will put up all of the correct answers.
Charles Manson
ReplyDeleteBobby BeauSoleil
Danny DeCarlo
Steve Grogan
Sandra Good
Al Springer
Kenneth Bell
Susan Atkins
Bruce Hall
Charles Allen Beard
Leslie Van Houten
Shery Cooper
Suzanne Scott
Ella Jo Bailey
Mary Brunner
Patricia Krenwinkel
Bryan Lukashevsky
Catherine Share
David Hannum
Larry Craven
Phil Phillips
Harold True
Charles Watson
Juan Flynn
Larry Bailey
Mark Bloodworth Damien
Sue Bartell
Johnny Scwartz
Vern Plumlee
Stephen Palazzo
Karate David Lipsett
Colleen Sinclair
Stephanie Schram
Nancy Pitman
Diane Lake
Kathryn Lutesinger
Thomas Walleman
Allen Delisle
Catherine Gillies
Charlee Griffin
Bruce Davis
Lynette Fromme
Laura Shepard
Ruth Anne Morehouse
Madeline Cottage
Maria Alonzo
Barbara Rosenberg
Linda Kasabian
Diane Von Ahn
Barbara Hoyt
Claudia Smith
William Vansicle
Paul Watkins
Jack Gordon
Carol Loveless
Ruth Gordon
Raymond Petrizzo
Robert Murray
Thomas Galella
Robert Reinhard
How did we get Zero before this?
ReplyDeleteScab,
ReplyDeleteThank you very much.
So that thing next to Squeaky goes by the name of Laura Shepard. Move over Mary, she has taken your crown as the ugliest Manson girl.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know anything about Robert Earl Murray? I ask because his arrest record lists his home address as being in the same town I come from. I can't find any info on him at all, anywhere.
ReplyDeleteMy girlfriend married TJ Walleman around 1971/1972 ish. He was a really good looking guy then (an as_hole, but good looking
ReplyDeleteDo you have a picture of Rocky? He was my first boyfriend...
ReplyDeleteI am sorry. I mis-spoke. My friend married Patrick Walleman, not TJ Walleman. She met Patrick at the Spahn ranch
ReplyDeleteToo young, shoot me an email. We'd like to chat with you.
ReplyDeleteI know Laura Sheppard and these comments are so hurtful. At 63 years old, she still suffers from PTSD over her time with the family and has not been able to return to a normal life. When she returned home soon after this photo was taken, she weighed 98 lbs at 5ft 8. She was completely emaciated and pregnant (baby did not survive). The romanticism of this man and the family is horrifying, and its recent reglorification, unsettling.
ReplyDeleteHi Just Me. What "glorification" are you talking about?
ReplyDeleteJust Me, A few years ago, around 2006, when Jane Doe #59's case was reopened law enforcement asked a number of then Manson related sites if they had any idea where Laura Sheppard was or if that was even her true name as they were unable to find her. It was thought that she might be Jane Doe #59. As far as I know no one was able to give LE any leads. Did LE ever make contact with Laura? Please contact Matt or myself via the email addresses in the upper right of the home page.
ReplyDeleteMatt said...
ReplyDeleteHi Just Me. What "glorification" are you talking about?
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They are probably referring to all the websites and fandom devoted to Manson being innocent (and a prophet), to all the Manson-related merchandise, the admiration he and the family still bizarrely receive from some quarters.
Glorification does actually mean receiving unjustifiable admiration.
If you don't think such glorification has occurred, then I don't know what to tell you.
Scab said:
ReplyDeleteI can name them all. … personal collection.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
TabOrFresca AT gmail DOT COM
Scab said:
ReplyDeleteI can name them all. … personal collection.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
TabOrFresca AT gmail DOT COM
Scab said:
ReplyDeleteI can name them all. … personal collection.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
TabOrFresca AT gmail DOT COM
Scab said:
ReplyDeleteI can name them all. … personal collection.
I would like to know the origin of this matrix of mugshots. It has been posted on a number of sites, but there seems to be no originator? What I am mostly interested in is the obscure names. The ones that are not in Deemer’s list. Where did they come from and how were they associated will Manson? Names like: Charlee Griffin, Stephen Palazzo, Allen Delistle, Jack Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Carol Loveless, Raymond Petrizzo, Thomas Galella.
TabOrFresca AT gmail DOT COM