Someone I can't remember who recently asked me what happened to Shorty's matching guns. I found the answer. Shorty was known to pawn his guns for some extra cash but he always retrieved them on a buy back from the pawn shop. Somehow Bruce ended up with the pawn ticket for Shorty's guns. Bruce then gave the ticket to Danny DeCarlo.
Bruce claimed he did not participate in disposing of Shea's body nor did he know where Shorty was buried. Clem said that he alone buried the body.
Approximately four months later on December 9th, 1969 Shea's 1962 Mercury was found parked on a side street.
I was unable to find the location where they found his car. Inside the car were Shorty's blood stained boots and his footlocker filled with his possessions.
Surprise, surprise a palm print belonging to Bruce was found on the footlocker. I think Bruce like the rest of the Family, ever the scavenger riffled through Shorty's footlocker and that is where he got the pawn ticket for Shorty's guns. It is funny how Bruce was at almost every murder/suicide except for Tate/LaBianca.
Where was Bruce on August 9th and 10th?
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I read somewhere that maybe Bruce went with Charlie to revisit the scene at the Tate house. It could also have been Clem though.
Is "Little Larry" that freak White Rabbit? Or was there another Larry?
"Little Larry" is one Larry Bailey. In one of Bruce's parole hearings he implicated Little Larry, Tex, and Bill Vance. It is in one of Nelson's books.
Oh yes, Bailey, not Melton. Thank you, Grump.
PS: Hot enough for ya?
There was a tremendous amount of rage directed at Shorty. He was aware of this before he was murdered. In Clem's parole hearings you can hear Clem describe his anger at Shorty for causing the Aug 16 raid. But I think there were others besides Shorty who caused that raid. The ranch had neighbors who complained about auto gunfire and stolen cars. Clem never mentions Larry or Bill. Charlie just says there were "others" in Shorty's murder. It sounds like the entire Family was involved in killing Shorty. Yet that raid may have happened even without Shorty's dime.
Even Charlie was aware of inceasing numbers of complaints being made so he ordered everyone to stay off the boardwalk so as to attract less attention. But Shorty caught all the rage built up after the Aug 16 raid. They beat him to death.
Panamint Patty said...
Hot enough for ya?
Remember, it's a "Dry" Heat!!!
This has nothing to do with this incident, but i was reading a post about the Tex Watson / Olancha murder connection and someone had this included in there post and I had never heard this before. Take a look and let me know if anyone has ever heard this before. "Tex in his book brings out he and Manson watched a casino in the San Frnando Valley for two weeks looking for a victim in June of 1969.He spotted two ladies and went up to them and tried to stab them but they got into their car and eventually lost CM and TW.CM was trying to train Tex,etc.So CM is not without guilt."
There certainly was an escalation of violence in both Charlie's spoken lectures and actions. This was the helter skelter thing although it took all the motives together to create TateLabianca.
it was frank retz who initiated the raid on august 16.
robert hendrickson in an interview questioned where does manson begin and davis end? davis he claims looked like manson and could mimick his voice. i think he was implying that it was possible that davis ordered the murders the night of tate!
I remember reading about the casino stakeout. The plan was to kidnap a wealthy patron, then hold them hostage in their own home while trying to collect ransom. Meanwhile, they'd be torturing the person and robbing the place.
What a swell bunch of people!
beauders said...
it was frank retz who initiated the raid on august 16.
Mr Poirot replies:
There was a discussion in George Spahn's living room between George, Shorty and Retz concerning The Family and the problems they were causing at the ranch. Neighbors all over that area were calling police about things going on at the ranch. Shorty boldly said he would get Charlie off the ranch.
Squeaky was there too. She told Charlie and he had Shorty murdered.
"Inflammatory comments of a racist or anti-semitism or anti-christian nature are not permitted on this blog. Nor is ganging up on members. That's not what we are here for. There are other blogs for that. Let's back to the subject at hand before Liz gets Evil."
but it was retz phoning the police that led to the raid. i remember that spahn, retz, and shea had a meeting about the Family in front of fromme.
Wouldn't Clem have implicated Vance or Bailey or whomever when he was spilling the beans about where Shorty's body was? I can't imagine that he would have thought that doing so WOULDN'T help his cause, y'know?
BTW...is there an audio of Clem's parole hearings where he talks at length about the Shea murder?
larry BaILEY's real name is larry Giddenings. He ended up doing big time in 1979 and didn't get out of fed-prison to 2004 or so. He wrote the following text:
http://www.spunk.org/texts/misc/sp000124.txt
However, the text fails to mention details about his 1971 armed action (The Hawthorne Store robbery).
see page three where it states Giddings may be deported in 2004:
http://camas.ca/files/distro/abcfupdate_40.pdf
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WniF00U8oukJ:truthontatelabianca.com/topic/2107-bailey-the-getaway-driver/+larry+giddings+canada+anarchist&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
Shak El- very cool find
There is a nice photo of larry with Como and dennis rice right after Hawthorne:
http://mansonmysteries.blogspot.com/2009/05/last-sla-captive-released-from.html
Shak El - very nice thank you
heres video from where that picture is taken from, it comes more towards the end of the video, but some clear footage of Larry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecKg0k3bRRM
In reference to the statement by Mr Poirot replies:
"Neighbors all over that area were calling police about things going on at the ranch." If you were in this area in the 70's and 80's, there were no neighbors in this canyon. The Spahn Ranch was the only home residence in this canyon besides the one belonging to Mr. Frank Retz.
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