Interesting article, with great insights. Krassner claims of Sandy Good: "She told me that prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi once snarled at her as she kept her vigil outside the courthouse: "We're gonna get you because you sucked Charlie Manson's dick."
Posted by Panamint Patty
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-krassner/my-acid-trip-with-squeaky_b_252681.html
20 comments:
I wouldn't be surprised if Bug said that to Sandy. Bug was lethal. He wasn't a creampuff prosecutor. The Family was no match for Bug. He could eat them for breakfast and read the morning paper and drink his coffee at the same time.
Krassner's a class act.
the Mel Lyman Family thing is interesting too...Patty had never heard of them before reading this piece.
I would have took the bath with Sandy!
adam said...
I would have took the bath with Sandy!
Mr Poirot replies:
I'm sure Krassner thought Squeaky was a nice looking babe but he made it clear he was so afraid of her that Squeaky saw that. Remember also that when you partake of Charlie's girls you are indebted to Charlie. Charlie didn't give away his girls for free. If you didn't pay up then Charlie would retaliate against you. Your car or house might suddenly burn.
Interesting that Krassner noticed the scar on Sandy's back. Sandy said it was from a lung operation.
Anybody know of any lung probs Sandy ever suffered? This is the 1st I've ever heard of this about Sandy. Was Sandy sickly as a child? Is this scar indicative of something?
sandy was very sickly as a child, her mother even said after the murders that it may have been better if sandy had died as a child. her health is most likely the reason manson let her have ivan at a hospital.
i have no way to prove this but i know a cassette tape paul watkins sent to a collector and friend of manson's that claims that bugliosi forced him through threats of going into the green room and coming out dead, to tell him everything he wanted to hear about manson. like i said i know it exists but this collector will never part with it and most likely never let anyone listen to it. one would think he would just to help manson. bugloisi was always threatening these people.
luckily the family was guilty because they got a very unfair trial, bugliosi saw he could make a name for himself and went for it.
beauders said...
sandy was very sickly as a child, her mother even said after the murders that it may have been better if sandy had died as a child. her health is most likely the reason manson let her have ivan at a hospital.
i have no way to prove this but i know a cassette tape paul watkins sent to a collector and friend of manson's that claims that bugliosi forced him through threats of going into the green room and coming out dead, to tell him everything he wanted to hear about manson. like i said i know it exists but this collector will never part with it and most likely never let anyone listen to it. one would think he would just to help manson. bugloisi was always threatening these people.
Mr Poirot replies:
Good info on Sandy. Thanks. I'd never heard much about Sandy's youth.
The part about the tape where Watkins was threatened by Bug strikes me as poor quality rumor. Bugliosi had enough evidence to convict Manson 50 times over. Watkins left Charlie in March prior to the murders. Watkins never liked Charlie's new violent, agressive demeanor and opposed Charlie's death trip. Watkins was never into death. He never entertained ANY of Charlie's paranoia and angry ideas. Manson threatened to kill Watkins at Barker's more than once as well as threatened Crockett and Poston and Flynn and had Clem threaten him in Shoshone. Watkins wss repulsed by the TLB murders and needed no proding by Bug to testify. Watkins spent 9 yrs testifying in all the murder trials. Most of these trials were prosecuted not by Bugliosi.
This is why I think Sussana Lo has it ass backwards. The real interesting period for the Manson girls is not pre-TLB but post trial. They were dancing with infamy then and how it affected them individually and collectively is interesting - who bailed and who stayed the course and so on. Who amongst us hasn't wondered what it would have been like to hang with Squeeky and the gang in the early 70's, though the lesson of the Willetts certainly dampers that curiousity.
But having Pat and Leslie and Sadie and Mary and Gypsy all in the same prison for a few years has always fascinated me - how they got along and such.
'70 to '75 is for me at least the most interesting period for the Manson girls.
Blogger MrPoirot said...
adam said...
I would have took the bath with Sandy!
Mr Poirot replies:
I'm sure Krassner thought Squeaky was a nice looking babe but he made it clear he was so afraid of her that Squeaky saw that. Remember also that when you partake of Charlie's girls you are indebted to Charlie. Charlie didn't give away his girls for free. If you didn't pay up then Charlie would retaliate against you. Your car or house might suddenly burn.
You are probably correct there, but if it had been me I would have been thinking with my dick...
Blogger leary7 said...
But having Pat and Leslie and Sadie and Mary and Gypsy all in the same prison for a few years has always fascinated me - how they got along and such.
'70 to '75 is for me at least the most interesting period for the Manson girls.
The others would have little to do with Sadie, esp Leslie.
There is a mention by Krassner of a defense attormey who had a romp with two Manson girls. I was suspicious that this happened. Why? Because Squeaky and Gypsy used to sit in Fitzgeralds office all day. Gypsy would play violin. Fitzgerald said Squeaky looked like a wet rat. One day Fitzgerald couldn't take it anymore so he threw them out and told them not to return.
Is Krassner's story of bedding two Manson girls a distortion of the Squeaky/Gypsy sit-in at his office. Rumors and misinformation tend to come from distorted real events. Krassner's story has other distortions in it.
adam said...
I would have took the bath with Sandy!
i would be afraid if i washed her back the wrong way she would drown me.
Another thing Squeaky and Sandy would have done if you bedded them is weed their way into your life. They'd be putting pressure on you to give them your car and your money and ask you to steal your daddy's credit cards. You ain't gonna get a free one night stand if that is what you believe. These folks were professional con artists who used biker muscle and threatened you with guns and knives. Beauty is skin deep: ever heard that diddy?
the source i have for the cassette is a person who has never lied or even misled me about anything to do with manson. he listened to the cassette. i was a source for bret and told him about this but the guy with the cassette won't budge on bringing it forward. i am the person who told bret about james whitehouse being a prison groupie. about whitehouse's courting of a crazy nutjob named veronica compton. look her up, she's interesting. i'm pretty free with my manson info. and have no reason to mislead anyone. i've written a book with over 1600 pages on the case and this plus much much more is in the book. i don't want to be sued for even embelishing one little fact. the cassette exists.
I have heard of that casette. I always thought it was true that Watkins had been coerced into saying what Bug wanted him to say because he didn't stay away from the family after Charlie was arrested he tried to take over as leader. There are several photos of him hand in hand with the family at the trials. Same with Juan Flynn there is even a video of him saying Juan he loves Charlie.
Beauders I'm not saying there isnt a tape with stuff on it. I am saying that Bug didnt force Watkins to testify. His decision to testify was reached after he was nearly killed when the van he was sleeping in on Topanga Rd mysteriously caught fire. Clem told Watkins he set the fire. The fire occurred after the death threats in Shoshone and at Barkers. Watkins had plenty of motivation to testify without Bug forcing him. Watkins had no warrants on him and no reason to offer to testify other than of his own free will. Watkins did not testify just once either. He testified on many occasions in multiple trials. No other prosecutor had to armtwist Watkins to testify either.
watkins in return for his testimony was allowed not to be drafted thus avoiding vietnam. this is in hendrickson's book.
beauders said...
watkins in return for his testimony was allowed not to be drafted thus avoiding vietnam. this is in hendrickson's book
Mr Poirot replies:
Bug had no influence in the federal military draft system. No prosecutor in the US had any sayso in the draft.The overwhelming fact is that Watkins abandoned Charlie 5 mos prior to TLB. Watkins surely was sucked in by the girls sexual favors but he was repulsed by Charlie's nonpeaceful ideology. It is crucial to admit that Watkins walked away from Charlie when Charlie became angry. Watkin's conversion or deprogramminf began long before the murders. There is a scene where Charlie ordered Watkins to give him a blowjob and Watkins did. See? That is where Watkins began to revolt in his mind. Watkins even discussed this homosexual attack with Charlie.
MR. Poirot. as usual, you make more sense than most. Their are several distortions in krassners story. For example,krassner claims that shorty was tied up and beheaded after a blow job. This is proven not to be true. Shorty was not tied up, and the body was not mutilated. Krassner comes from a matriarhcal view point, and didn't even catch on that the girls duped him. Did you read that bit where he tells squeaky, that the whole reason women smoke,is because men got them hooked by blowing smoke in their face! This comes right out of the gloria steinem hand book. Mansons people are against matriarchy, espescially sandy and squeaky. Their interviews from 1987 prove they were well aware of the fact that america is dominated by matriarchal women. When self serving krassner told squeaky that women who smoke, are more or less, victims of men who got them hooked, they probably saw him for the sissy that he is. Do you really think women who hang with tough patriarchal men, would not see through that nonsense that mmen got them hooked on ciggaretts, or that womens lungs are somehow more important then a mans?
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