These pictures amaze me. Ruth Ann and Kitty look to be in better shape than they were at the ranch while Ella Jo seems to be on oxygen. The first two must have kissed the Marlboro Man good by before it became the thing to do.
whenever I see this katie post ( with the movie version of SUSAN pic) I tend to think this katie is some one who is big in the hips and small on the mind
Liz's blog is the best. We should all be thankful that she is so kind to share anything with us. No one is making fun of Ella Jo's situation. We all know it sucks to have a loved one or someone we know, die or suffer from C.
Interesting how the photo brings out different reactions in different people. My reaction was neither PC nor rational, but it was very human. All reactions are valid, IMHO. Good luck, Ella Jo. You still have that spunky twinkle in your eye!
Liz, I know exactly where you're coming from. My partner has COPD from 40 years of smoking. He takes Spiriva and another inhaler. His doctor says he'll be on oxygen in a year. I smoke a pack a day. I'm sure I'm headed for the same thing if I don't stop soon, but it's hard to do and honestly, I enjoy smoking too much.
My father died of COPD/emphysema, same as his brother/my uncle...dad's case daily over a period some 6 years and his brother a bit longer demise.
Not so much an kaleidoscope of color as antithesis rainbow shaded hues- greys & blacks/days & nights same.
Use of inhalers & oxygen tanks... and still 'smoke smoke smoke that cigarette', till last dying gasps, tiny sparks & oxygen tanks hinting possibility an even earlier reservation ('departure date'), if not necessarily 'going out with a bang'.
Lung cancer too offers a legacy.
Actors Yul Brynner (The Magnificent 7) and William Talman (Perry Mason's ever losing counterpart) left anti-smoking commercials after they died (via the magic of videotape), latter filmed under the numb morphine just 6 weeks before Talman's own death; didn't look to be especially on his death bed, such the somewhat insidious nature.
If you're old enough, you probably remember the commercials - if not here they are, top left/right the page:
http://www.classictvads.com/smoke_1.shtml
As Yul's final words instruct: "whatever you do just don't smoke."
If such cautionary tales/those words don't 'bring you to now' in Charlie-speak, nothing will.
It's sad to see all of those young people of that era, in pictures, w/ stogues in hand. Charles has emphasema too, and sometimes has breathing treatments. You see the photos of all the famous movie stars and they all have cigarettes. I am told by elders that Doctors often prescribed smoking in those days, to strengthen weak lungs. It was on TV, commercials for cigs were in magazines and on TV, so everyone of that generation thought it was acceptable. Ms. Patty and others, please stop smoking now!
AC, you're right. Frank (my partner) and I both want to stop. The longest I've gone without is three months when I quit cold turkey back in 2007. It wasn't that bad. Don't even remember why I started again. I'll be 40 in August and I want to be done with it for good.
Fate can be cruel...my dad's case, he was NOT a smoker at all - until he met my mother, who was merely a 'social smoker' (looked cool, blah blah blah).
She stopped early on and still lives today - he did not, instead escalated to 4 packs a day those Red Pall Malls... might as well wrap your lips around an exhaust pipe & inhale, same difference.
Here's a 60's cigarette commercial (anti) from YouTube that hints the possibility 'collateral damage' -
When I was a toddler my dad let me take a drag off of someone else's cig. I choked, I gagged, I cried. I was 2 and I remember it! I never touched a gig again. Ever. EVER. E V E R.
sure would be nice to discuss Ella Jo the person instead of Ella Jo the photo. The years are kind to some, not so much to others. And who amongst us hasn't made bad life choices. I loved Patty's "spunky twinkle in the eye" comment. Ella Jo always struck me as an intelligent and interesting character, much more so than the majority of the Garbage people. I wish there was more info about her.
oh yeah, last month I was diagnosed with lung cancer. Never smoked a single butt though both parents were chain smokers. Whose to say if that caused it, the docs are reluctant, always covering their asses. But it has been documented, the dangers of second hand smoke. So do it for the ones you love.
>>>Candy said: whenever I see this katie post ( with the movie version of SUSAN pic)>>>
Movie version of SUSAN pic???? What movie are you referring to?
>>I tend to think this katie is some one who is big in the hips and small on the mind>>>
You have amazing perception powers based on a "movie version of SUSAN pic". HA HA.
Anyway, on to saner things. Maybe I overreacted to the snickering about Ella's condition, I've watched someone die of emphysema and it's not pretty. But I think that everyone who posted knows how serious the disease is. So, apologies to all if I stepped on anyone's toes.
When I look at that picture, I see someone having a good day, touching her grandson (I'm guessing that's who he is) and glad that the grim reaper has given her at least one more day.
katie8753 said... >>>Candy said: whenever I see this katie post ( with the movie version of SUSAN pic)>>>
katie8753 said...Movie version of SUSAN pic???? What movie are you referrinversion of SUSAN pic".
"candy" is refering to your avatar/character, because it is not a picture of "the" susan atkins. it is a picture of the girl who played susan in one of the movies.
katie8753 said... Anyway, on to saner things. So, apologies to all if I stepped on anyone's toes.
Sorry Liz. Tell me which movie you're talking about. That picture is Sadie in a mug shot.
i am not sure what movie it is from.iknow it is not from the two Hs movies. jjfab said... It's actually from something called "These Children Who Come At You With Knifes." It's a weird photography/art piece thing. You can see it here:
http://keenan-daily.livejournal.com/48884.html
Thanks jjFab
hope that clears things up for you katie. i think i will go check that out too.
"a great garbo type". now that is intrigueing. thanks maggie. i never thought of Donkey Dan as a renaissance type making such references. Was he refering to her aloofness, her mysteriousness? Even though she was part of the Family for long time she is not in alot of the photos. It seems she maintained her individualism more than others. Where might that garbo reference be? In HS or The Family?
the reference to her being Greta Garbo like is in The Family - "also oozing into the acid mosaic at this time was a lovely girl named Ella Beth Sinder aka Ella Bailey aks Yeller, whom a biker named Danny DeCarol describes as a slim shapely Greta Garbo type."
Leary, remember that most of those pics from Spahn were taken post-crimes. That's why we never see Katie, LuLu, Tex, Charlie or Sadie in them either.
Ella saw bad new around the corner and blew that popsicle stand. So did Kitty, Hoyt & Simi Sherry. They are also noticeably absent from the Spahn pics.
Pre-crimes, I'm sure getting a photo of Ella around there would have been easy.
All of this made me read up on Garbo. I found this. Interesting. May be what DDD was alluding to (not that he is a deep thinker).
According to the memoir written by silent film star Louise Brooks, she and Garbo had a brief liaison. Brooks described Garbo as masculine but a "charming and tender lover".
I always thought she was cute. After seeing her highschool picture, I second guessed that thought. Out of all the girls, she has always been the one that I've been the most curious about. This being that she was there for two years and she is only mentioned a few times here and there.
Guilt by association, I suppose. I was a regular commenter for a while, then all of a sudden cut off. I'm always well behaved, so I guess I had the smell of Liz on me.
Yeah, it was Liz! I knew it. What ever SHE did got us in trouble. They really don't have anything new worth reading lately anyways. I don't want to be another turd in the catbox anyways.
looks like years of smoking have not been kind to her
ReplyDeleteSmoking isn't kind to anyone. Yuk...
ReplyDeleteThank you Patty needs this reminder. She is having a hard time kissing the Marlboro Man goodbye for good.
ReplyDeleteDepends on what you are smoking :)
ReplyDeleteLiz we both know how stuff STINKS from smoking...haha
ReplyDeleteThese pictures amaze me. Ruth Ann and Kitty look to be in better shape than they were at the ranch while Ella Jo seems to be on oxygen. The first two must have kissed the Marlboro Man good by before it became the thing to do.
ReplyDeleteGood luck, Patty.
i tried to kiss the marlboro man goodbye too, it never lasts.
ReplyDeleteTry kissing a different spot.
ReplyDeleteGood luck to you too, Liz. Maybe, next time will be the charm. My problem tearing my self away from Aunt Jemima and Betty Crocker.
ReplyDeleteJim Beam & I still hang out every now & then. Some friends you just have to keep around.
ReplyDeleteMatt said...
ReplyDeleteTry kissing a different spot.
Liz can I sent yu something that smells like smoke...,better then cat peesti
ReplyDeleteShe's joined the the oxygen wheelchair club that you see at Walmart.
ReplyDeleteLiz I made the smoking jokes to yu about JAN however if ella or anyone on Oxygen thats not funny if someone is sick
ReplyDeletecandy and nuts said...
ReplyDeleteLiz we both know how stuff STINKS from smoking...haha
Jon knows too.
You must have gotten this picture off facebook.
ReplyDeleteIt's too bad you guys make fun of someone with emphysema.
It's not funny. You can't breathe. It's a death sentence. Not funny at all.
Ella Jo Bailey. So young once. She is the one who made Gary dead.
Now she's almost there.
Not funny at all. Like it wasn't funny when Gary died. Remember your friend Liz!!! Molly!!!
"Kiss the Marlboro Man".
It's not funny at all!!!
Please post this comment, because we should all know how "not funny" this is. She's dying.
Katie, I nursed my dad when he died at age 57 of cancer on New Year's Eve. I still smoke. Don't judge, K? Go pick a fight somewhere else please.
ReplyDeleteCome to think of it, he was a month short of 57, 56 to be exact. I can still remember it like it was yesterday, though it was over 14 years now.
ReplyDeleteI try not to think about it any more, though.
Patty, I'm not judging. Why would you think that??? I'm not judging anyone. I'm just saying stop laughing.
ReplyDeleteI'm just sick and tired of folks laughing at people's last ride.
It's time to stop!!!!
That's all I'm sayin'.
Just stop making fun and stop laughing.
Cuz it's not funny anymore.
Patty you say you nursed your Dad with Cancer, and I'm saying it's not funny.
ReplyDeleteWhy are we in disagreement????
I'm sorry Patty this is not about me, it's about you.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry your Dad died.
I'm sorry.
whenever I see this katie post ( with the movie version of SUSAN pic) I tend to think this katie is some one who is big in the hips and small on the mind
ReplyDeleteLiz's blog is the best. We should all be thankful that she is so kind to share anything with us. No one is making fun of Ella Jo's situation. We all know it sucks to have a loved one or someone we know, die or suffer from C.
ReplyDeleteInteresting how the photo brings out different reactions in different people. My reaction was neither PC nor rational, but it was very human. All reactions are valid, IMHO. Good luck, Ella Jo. You still have that spunky twinkle in your eye!
ReplyDeleteFYI- i was not making lite of her situation. i myself have COPD from smoking. COPD includes emphysema. that will probably be me in 20 more years.
ReplyDeleteI quit cold-turkey December 2005 and never looked back.
ReplyDeleteLiz, I know exactly where you're coming from. My partner has COPD from 40 years of smoking. He takes Spiriva and another inhaler. His doctor says he'll be on oxygen in a year. I smoke a pack a day. I'm sure I'm headed for the same thing if I don't stop soon, but it's hard to do and honestly, I enjoy smoking too much.
ReplyDelete'Watching' someone die too pains.
ReplyDeleteMy father died of COPD/emphysema, same as his brother/my uncle...dad's case daily over a period some 6 years and his brother a bit longer demise.
Not so much an kaleidoscope of color as antithesis rainbow shaded hues- greys & blacks/days & nights same.
Use of inhalers & oxygen tanks... and still 'smoke smoke smoke that cigarette', till last dying gasps, tiny sparks & oxygen tanks hinting possibility an even earlier reservation ('departure date'), if not necessarily 'going out with a bang'.
Lung cancer too offers a legacy.
Actors Yul Brynner (The Magnificent 7) and William Talman (Perry Mason's ever losing counterpart) left anti-smoking commercials after they died (via the magic of videotape), latter filmed under the numb morphine just 6 weeks before Talman's own death; didn't look to be especially on his death bed, such the somewhat insidious nature.
If you're old enough, you probably remember the commercials - if not here they are, top left/right the page:
http://www.classictvads.com/smoke_1.shtml
As Yul's final words instruct: "whatever you do just don't smoke."
If such cautionary tales/those words don't 'bring you to now' in Charlie-speak, nothing will.
It's sad to see all of those young people of that era, in pictures, w/ stogues in hand. Charles has emphasema too, and sometimes has breathing treatments. You see the photos of all the famous movie stars and they all have cigarettes. I am told by elders that Doctors often prescribed smoking in those days, to strengthen weak lungs. It was on TV, commercials for cigs were in magazines and on TV, so everyone of that generation thought it was acceptable. Ms. Patty and others, please stop smoking now!
ReplyDeleteLiz, good for you, and jjfab, please stop, you're hurting your loved one as well as yourself.
ReplyDeleteAC, you're right. Frank (my partner) and I both want to stop. The longest I've gone without is three months when I quit cold turkey back in 2007. It wasn't that bad. Don't even remember why I started again. I'll be 40 in August and I want to be done with it for good.
ReplyDeleteFate can be cruel...my dad's case, he was NOT a smoker at all - until he met my mother, who was merely a 'social smoker' (looked cool, blah blah blah).
ReplyDeleteShe stopped early on and still lives today - he did not, instead escalated to 4 packs a day those Red Pall Malls... might as well wrap your lips around an exhaust pipe & inhale, same difference.
Here's a 60's cigarette commercial (anti) from YouTube that hints the possibility 'collateral damage' -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmzDLzqQ-A0
When I was a toddler my dad let me take a drag off of someone else's cig. I choked, I gagged, I cried. I was 2 and I remember it! I never touched a gig again. Ever. EVER. E V E R.
ReplyDeletesure would be nice to discuss Ella Jo the person instead of Ella Jo the photo. The years are kind to some, not so much to others. And who amongst us hasn't made bad life choices.
ReplyDeleteI loved Patty's "spunky twinkle in the eye" comment. Ella Jo always struck me as an intelligent and interesting character, much more so than the majority of the Garbage people. I wish there was more info about her.
oh yeah, last month I was diagnosed with lung cancer. Never smoked a single butt though both parents were chain smokers. Whose to say if that caused it, the docs are reluctant, always covering their asses. But it has been documented, the dangers of second hand smoke. So do it for the ones you love.
ReplyDelete>>>Candy said: whenever I see this katie post ( with the movie version of SUSAN pic)>>>
ReplyDeleteMovie version of SUSAN pic???? What movie are you referring to?
>>I tend to think this katie is some one who is big in the hips and small on the mind>>>
You have amazing perception powers based on a "movie version of SUSAN pic". HA HA.
Anyway, on to saner things. Maybe I overreacted to the snickering about Ella's condition, I've watched someone die of emphysema and it's not pretty. But I think that everyone who posted knows how serious the disease is. So, apologies to all if I stepped on anyone's toes.
When I look at that picture, I see someone having a good day, touching her grandson (I'm guessing that's who he is) and glad that the grim reaper has given her at least one more day.
katie8753 said...
ReplyDelete>>>Candy said: whenever I see this katie post ( with the movie version of SUSAN pic)>>>
katie8753 said...Movie version of SUSAN pic???? What movie are you referrinversion of SUSAN pic".
"candy" is refering to your avatar/character, because it is not a picture of "the" susan atkins. it is a picture of the girl who played susan in one of the movies.
katie8753 said...
Anyway, on to saner things.
So, apologies to all if I stepped on anyone's toes.
apology accepted.
katie8753 said...
ReplyDeleteAnyway, on to saner things.
So, apologies to all if I stepped on anyone's toes.
apology accepted.
Thanks Liz. Now...
Sorry Liz. Tell me which movie you're talking about. That picture is Sadie in a mug shot.
Seriously Katie? You don't really think that's Sadie do you? I'm a newbie and I can tell that is from a movie.
ReplyDeleteIt's actually from something called "These Children Who Come At You With Knifes." It's a weird photography/art piece thing. You can see it here:
ReplyDeletehttp://keenan-daily.livejournal.com/48884.html
katie said.....
ReplyDeleteapology accepted.
Thanks Liz. Now...
Sorry Liz. Tell me which movie you're talking about. That picture is Sadie in a mug shot.
i am not sure what movie it is from.iknow it is not from the two Hs movies.
jjfab said...
It's actually from something called "These Children Who Come At You With Knifes." It's a weird photography/art piece thing. You can see it here:
http://keenan-daily.livejournal.com/48884.html
Thanks jjFab
hope that clears things up for you katie. i think i will go check that out too.
thanks all when she said "what movie pic?" I thought hmmm now I know that is not REAL SUSAN thanks for confirmation all
ReplyDeleteMaynard from Tool as Charlie. Never seen those before - thanks!
ReplyDeleteExcept for Katie's avatar, of course. That I have seen a lot of.
ReplyDeleteKAtie yu were with sadie that night and yet yu dont know her mug shot...
ReplyDeletejjfab: You're right!
ReplyDeleteEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW.
I changed my "Sadie skin".
Thanks Liz!
Can't say it's a better picture though:)
ReplyDeleteWell I decided on this one. Don't know if it's the final, I'm still looking. LOL.
ReplyDeleteIf you're going for the "Crazy Bitch" thing for your avatar, either one will do just fine.
ReplyDeletethanks Katie for using Susans real picture now and not questioning me when yu used a fake one-X
ReplyDeleteKen i was gonna comment back to yu but Ill leave yu to yur own reflection of pictures
ReplyDeleteDid I seem to miss something that everyone else didn't about Susan other than "Crazy Bitch" ? My comment wasn't aimed towards Katie.
ReplyDeleteMomma Liz says "if your going to fight amoungst each other (for some reason) fight nice please.
ReplyDeletety
Ah Liz - Who would fight???
ReplyDeleteeveryone here is about peace and love right???
I know I am
Liz, it's all cool. Far as I know. HA HA.
ReplyDeleteSt. Circumstance said...
ReplyDeleteAh Liz - Who would fight???
everyone here is about peace and love right???
I know I am
to quote kid rock
"what the fuck happened to the peace and love?"
you saintly bastard!!!!
Didn't know we were fighting?????? No problem here.
ReplyDeleteKen619 said...
ReplyDeleteDidn't know we were fighting?????? No problem here
actually no one actually was fighting-yet. but it was leading up to an argument,i could sense it. "you could feel it in the wind."
now end of the discussion. lol
Newbie here on commenting, but I remember somewhere reading that Ella Jo was quite beautiful, the source compared her to Greta Garbo.
ReplyDeleteI wish I could remember the source, but I don't, it is somewhere.
it was danny decarlo who said ella joe was a greta garbo type.
ReplyDelete"a great garbo type". now that is intrigueing. thanks maggie. i never thought of Donkey Dan as a renaissance type making such references. Was he refering to her aloofness, her mysteriousness? Even though she was part of the Family for long time she is not in alot of the photos. It seems she maintained her individualism more than others. Where might that garbo reference be? In HS or The Family?
ReplyDeletethe reference to her being Greta Garbo like is in The Family - "also oozing into the acid mosaic at this time was a lovely girl named Ella Beth Sinder aka Ella Bailey aks Yeller, whom a biker named Danny DeCarol describes as a slim shapely Greta Garbo type."
ReplyDeleteLeary, remember that most of those pics from Spahn were taken post-crimes. That's why we never see Katie, LuLu, Tex, Charlie or Sadie in them either.
ReplyDeleteElla saw bad new around the corner and blew that popsicle stand. So did Kitty, Hoyt & Simi Sherry. They are also noticeably absent from the Spahn pics.
Pre-crimes, I'm sure getting a photo of Ella around there would have been easy.
All of this made me read up on Garbo. I found this. Interesting. May be what DDD was alluding to (not that he is a deep thinker).
ReplyDeleteAccording to the memoir written by silent film star Louise Brooks, she and Garbo had a brief liaison. Brooks described Garbo as masculine but a "charming and tender lover".
Some Greta pics:
ReplyDeletehttp://rhystrammell.com/proximal-who-owns-greta-garbo-copyright/
I always thought she was cute. After seeing her highschool picture, I second guessed that thought. Out of all the girls, she has always been the one that I've been the most curious about. This being that she was there for two years and she is only mentioned a few times here and there.
ReplyDeleteProbably not necessary to get this specific... but what the heck.
ReplyDeleteThe excerpt Mary related (where DeCarlo describes Ella as a "Greta Garbo type") is the second paragragh from the bottom, on page 28, of "The Family".
Yeah, Ken. Those horn-rimmed glasses were bad.
ReplyDeleteMatt - For me it was her teeth and the glasses. The glasses might be OK on someone else, but that might be due to some odd fetish I have:)
ReplyDeletehey Matt, Louise Brooks is a fabulous study, a real character. Her bio is great. She and Chaplin had a interesting affair.
ReplyDeleteoh,and thanks for the heads up on the photos timeline. i shoulda realized that. brain fart.
ReplyDeleteGreta Garbo...
ReplyDeleteShe never said:
I vant to be alone....
She said...
I vant to be left alone.....
Well...
what's the divverence??
In case anybody's wondering about the high school pic, it can be found here:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.truthontatelabianca.com/forum/118-ella-jo-bailey/
matt- since i came to play with you and liz, i can't dig around in the catbox anymore. Gotta use the office:)
ReplyDeleteI still have several accounts, but have to go "in stealth", like you at the Nader building. LOL
ReplyDeleteWhat did you guys do for her to hate me so much?
ReplyDeleteGuilt by association, I suppose. I was a regular commenter for a while, then all of a sudden cut off. I'm always well behaved, so I guess I had the smell of Liz on me.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it was Liz! I knew it. What ever SHE did got us in trouble. They really don't have anything new worth reading lately anyways. I don't want to be another turd in the catbox anyways.
ReplyDeleteMatt said...
ReplyDelete........so I guess I had the smell of Liz on me
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