Having carefully examined Jess Bravin's engrossing Squeaky: The Life and Times of Lynette Alice Fromme, I can now say that I do belive this is the same tree that Squeaks was photographed under on September 5, 1975, having just pointed Manny Boro's Colt .45 at President Gerald Ford. It is much larger now but note the fork in the tree and the large branch on the left hand side. Also the location matches Bravin's detailed description of the event taking place 127 feet inside Capitol Park and adjactent to the corner of 12th and L on the footpath to the East Wing. Now and then California governor Jerry Brown was waiting there to greet the president: Bravin writes that Brown was not aware of the event until after their meeting. This is Panamint Patty's first post and I am afraid it's going to look weird when I hit "publish." Please don't laugh at me, Matt.
Very cool.
ReplyDeleteI'm disappointed. That tree looked so much better in 1975.
ReplyDeleteYeah Matt, It's definitely let itself go...
ReplyDeleteA little moisturiser and a personal trainer wouldn't have gone astray... jeez.
She looks completely unfazed by it all. I think I read that Ford basically felt sorry for her and didn't really think she was out to harm him. This may have come from the Bravin book.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite part of the Bravin account is when he writes that upon seeing Squeaky's gun, the president instinctively covered his face with one hand and his nuts with the other
ReplyDeletefine job Patty!!!!!!
ReplyDeletei watched awhile back an old interview with President Ford. The reporter doing the interview noticed a copy of Jesses book
ReplyDelete"Squeaky" (which i personally found dissapointing).
The reporter asked Ford about it. Ford took the book off the shelf to reveal that the book was autographed to Pres Ford from Lynette Fromme.
i took that out of my useless info brain file.
that is AWESOME.
ReplyDeleteSqueaky's parents got her psychiactric help in 1966. She started using drugs right after that. In 68 she joins the Manson Family and in 1975 she trys to assassinate the president. I watched an interview with Ford two years before he died where he stated he still had no idea why Squeaky tried to shoot him. The Jeff Bravin book demonizes Squeaky's dad for his treatment of her but I think he took all he could take from her. She was a difficult kid. No one could reason with her.
ReplyDeleteI by no means associate myself with any previous anonymous comments.
ReplyDeletePatty lost her posting virginity today. :}~
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI by no means associate myself with any previous anonymous comments.
To All The Anonymous/"Lurkers"
Pick a blog name dammit! join the party by name. it is weird addressing someone as anonymous.
I agree that Anonymous should have letters next to there names so we can keep the good ones separate from the A-holes who keep showing up after they are forced out with there heads between there legs...
ReplyDeleteI mean if you called yourself " x" we still wouldn't know who you are..
But we would know who you aren't and that would be just as important...
Great job Patty :) your going to be very good at this-
Never in my time in this room have I seen such an uproar over a picture as I did about Cappy- and so many people getting uptight over comments... That is what we are here for- and if you put up a pic and people think the subject is heinous- what is the problem with saying it???
Am I wrong or was Cappy another stupid whore who fucked anything that moved?? She deserves polite treatment why again?? She was such an upstanding person right???
She might be old, and she might have had a terrible life, and slept in the desert, and all of that- but shampoo and skin creams were always an option, and if she didnt care enough about herself- why does anyone owe it to her on a blog to be oblivious to it???
She is a worn out looking lady... she was very cute in her day- but she is FUGLY now... Nancy, Ruth, and Sandy all managed to look presentable- and if they didn't I would have said the same things about them...
It is what it is- and if that makes anyone angry- then you go suck up to her, but this blog is for opinions, and it is my opinion that she looks like someones ass after a hard night of drinking and bad food...
Sandpaper cant make skin look that rough..
As for squeaky- I guess that is because of Bernard Crow as well- but I have to go re-read Susan Atkins last version of the truth on her husbands website so I can run her ideas in here as my own like whichever Anonymous we have lately has been doing....
At the end of the day- its very simple. This is blog about very bad people who did very bad things a long time ago.. These people thirsted for attention, and put themselves out there while laughing in the faces of anyone who didn't agree with them- they had a blast with it... what they didnt have was the foresight to know that someday- they wouldn't be able to punch a magic button and get it to stop...
So I am not really feeling the pity for Cappy or any of the others at all- excuses are like assholes and BMW's in Boca Raton- Everyone has one :) She should take a bath and do something with her hair- she looks gross- and I wont ever look like that, because my parents taught me personal hygiene, and self respect, and raised me better than to live a life that would result in me looking like a worn out bath towel... It is a simple as that...
P.S. - Liz I changed my mind :)
P.S.S.- There is one person who has been posting as Anonymous in this room for as long as I have been coming in here- I am sorry to drag you into this :)
From Susan Atkins updated website- she was working on this when she got to sick to continue- she had a new version of why things went down- and someone here has adopted it as his own...
ReplyDeleteBut he didn’t find out that the murder of Gary Hinman was connected to Bernard Crowe until well after the Grand Jury. How could he possibly uncover the real motive for the murders of those at the Cielo and LaBianca homes without understanding the real reason for Gary Hinman’s death?
He couldn’t.
It wasn’t until the trial started that Vincent Bugliosi finally found out about the suspected murder of Bernard Crowe...
It’s worth looking at the incident that followed – the Crowe Incident – a little closer, because it is the true beginning of the terrible panicked spiral that led to the deaths of nine innocent people.
Though Charles Manson had never even heard of Bernard Crowe it was immediately obvious that (1) Bernard Crowe knew who he was (this was a mistake in identification, but Charles Manson never figured this out), (2) Bernard Crowe knew where Charles Manson lived, and (3) Bernard Crowe was mad.
:) It goes on - but you get the idea lol Sadie always has another reason why it isn't her fault- and I guess this one sounded pretty good to someone out there-
Susan Atkins had NOTHING to do with her last "book". That kooky lawyer/husband wrote it in totale. It's a total lie. She wasn't even healthy enough to read what her hubby wrote although I'm sure she would have liked it if she could have read it because it exhonerated her completely from her wicked ways. Although very smart like Charlie; Sadie's husband was a lunatic and a liar.
ReplyDeleteMatt said...
ReplyDeleteI'm disappointed. That tree looked so much better in 1975.
LOL!! That really cracked me up Matt!
Does St. stand for sanctimonious? It's one thing to have 'opinions', it's quite another to be accusatory and insulting.
ReplyDeleteand for the record, i post under anonymous because everytime i try to sign in on google it doesn't register. somehow my password isn't working though I have changed it several times. as soon as i figure it out i will post under Leary7. Everyone elso on this board, especially Matt and Liz, seem extremely welcoming. Clearly all it takes is one rightous and superior control freak to ruin the party.
And yes, I am the anonymous who believes the Crowe shooting is underplayed, but I have never read Atkins book or her husbands website as you have concluded with such arrogant certainty. You need to lighten up. All we are ever going to have with regards to why TLB happened is speculation. These forums are for sharing different opinions. You need to learn to do so without being degrading.
Saint Sanctimonious/ St circumsized- you need some new material...
ReplyDeleteI dont need to do anything, or say anything other than exactly what I want...
If your going to keep sneaking into this room- you better learn how to deal with it- I promise I am never going to change, and if you don't like it- you know what they say about the door hitting you in the ass on the way out...
didn't you say you would find another playground??
I had no doubt you weren't going anywhere- something tells me you don't have many options..
So if that isn't clear enough- let me spell it out for you....
F-U-C- K Y-O-U :)- I reallly dont care why you are anonymous or who you are- show some respect when you come in here and Ill ignore you- that's the very best deal you are going to get with me...
It is Matt and Liz's job to grow this room, so they will be nice to everyone- it is my job to weed out the A-holes. Keep talking shit about the site and its members, and you will find out for yourself how " nice' liz can be lol
As for me- I already dont like you- so play it smart and stay clear- or this is not going to be a very fun place for you at all....
I hope
I hope that is clear enough for you
ReplyDeleteSt, that isn't MonkeyBoy posting anonymously. Anon's posts express views that are different than what I know to be Monkey's. Let's all be nice, it's a beautiful day out there.
ReplyDeleteno, I am not monkeyboy, just been coming to this site for a few weeks. Leary7.
ReplyDeletebut I have to ask, what purpose does it serve to degrade and insult Cappy like you have other than to make you feel superior. And using the guise that you can do "anything you want" is beyond childish. There are those of us who come to these sites hoping that Cappy and other family members might one day join in and shed some light on a subject that fascinates us. There seems little chance of that with someone like you vilifying them.
And I do believe I have shown respect to everyone else on this site, and lauded both Matt and Liz for their efforts.
Resorting to f u's is a testament to your unpleasant personality. By all means, let us ignore each other. My pleasure.
Matt and Liz...
ReplyDeletewith all due respect, I feel it will be difficult to grow this site if you continue to let your "gatekeeper" degrade and insult to the degree he does.
My big crime was that the first time I posted on here a week or so ago I stated that I was "disappointed" that there was not more substantive dialogue and that most of the comments seemed to be "insider" dialogue between a handful of folks. Matt did explain to me that the site was new and that was why. I appreciated the explanation and said that I regretted not using the word 'frustrated' instead of disappointed.
I also seem to have occured the wrath of the person whom I have pledged to ignore because he finds my Crowe shooting/dirty hands thesis unacceptable. It's just a theory (and not one gleaned as he accused from Atkins or her husband). If these forums aren't for discussing different theories then what are they for?
And lastly I do agree with others who find this whole degrading and vilification of Cappy to be both wrong and sad. And most of all, counterproductive. Why would Cappy or any former family associate come on this site after seeing the way she was degraged because of one unflattering photo.
Anyways, I appreciate your fairness, Matt. It is a beautiful day. Leary7
Hi Leary. I know that you are not who St has confused you with. MonkeyBoy is the reason that we moderate posts instead of allowing free posting. When Ruth Ann's pics were posted he came on here and made veiled death threats to Liz. Also the admin from another Manson forum used some ugly language that day.
ReplyDeleteUnless someone is being threatening or overtly abusive the posts are approved. This is a free forum. I personally will even approve MonkeyBoy's posts if they are constructive & play by those simple rules. Unfortunately with free forum you get bickering, and we don't want to ban people unless we have to.
I personally welcome your comments and BTW I share your belief that the Crowe shooting was the catalyst for TLB.
But remember, you gotta have thick skin around here. :)
Matt, thanks again for your fairness and friendliness. I know the Monkeyboy story from reading Col Scotts site and was really disgusted with the problems he caused Liz. All good here, it's a big playground.
ReplyDeletesorry, but just to add, i have no problem whatsoever with being thick skinned. I just don't like bullies. and if you look at my posts you will see there were never any threats (or even any insults), but if you look at the last post of your "gatekeeper" it was full of childish implied threats. But I really am done with that nonsense. Life is to short.
ReplyDeleteLeary I really gave you a fair warning- if I am wrong about you then simply drop my name and any references to me from your conversations- insulting me to Matt is still insulting me...
ReplyDeleteyou both have my word- I wont mention him or this again- that should be fair enough for everyone...
I have asked this twice now
By the way Matt- I'm trying to defend your website.I spent three weeks chasing the weasal around because of what he did to Liz- and went back and forth with him for days at a time- I dont really have time for this if your just going keep letting them in to say what they want, and shit all over me...
ReplyDeleteyou spent 3 posts getting on my case over Cappy- now your defending and agreeing with this guy who has done nothing but take shots at me since he got here...
Let me copy and paste some of the things this person keeps saying about me over the last 4 days- and I have to worry about him, and now you at the same time????
I was singling him out because he took shots at your website...
Let me ask you a question Matt...
first this guy comes in and says he is disappointed with the site ( twice) then he says- and I can repost it- that he loves liz and has been reading this site for a couple of months- today he says he has followed the Col's site and saw the stuff about monkey..
If he has been following several blogs for months- then how could he NOT know how many people were blogging???? what would have been such a shock or disappointment?? If he was reading then he would have known how many people were contributing- and either way- why would that be his very first post in a room of a person he loves?
there were other words in the posts besides his disappointment post each time- so he didn't do it by accident either..
So what we have here is a guy who posts like he knows everything- keeps coming at me, and defends the female members of the family- he writes in the same tone, and if this isnt Monkey boy its the closest thing I have ever seen...
If you want to keep taking his side then you can have him. You were my first friend on here, and you brought me to this room- but if this is what you prefer to take sides with- He can stay- and I will go.. no hard feelings here- let him tell you how much better off you are without me, and he can regal all of you with his extensive knowledge and theories, and you can agree with him, and you can talk Bernard Crowe all day long...
Goodbye
Anonymous - I had this problem at first also. I figured out that the "sign in" at the upper right hand corner of the first page was the way to do it. Hope this helps so we can call you Leary.
ReplyDeleteI truly am sorry for being part of this spitball fight...but may I point out that this thread began with the so-called self-styled gatekeeper musing how much he would like to talk to Cappy because she was one who could answer his questions. But when Liz informed him that Cappy was not interested he went on to call Cappy a "stupid whore" and 'Fugly' and a number of other vicious insults. I don't know what you call such behavior but where I am from it is spelled bi-polar.
ReplyDeleteTo clarify another point, I have been reading the Manson sites for a couple of months but just started posting a week or so ago. Though when the trouble with the Ruth Ann photos appeared I did send EviLiz an email of support and encouragment.
This is a great site, I thouroughly enjoy and regret very much getting drawn into this spitball fight with said gatekeeper.
Intersting scrambled word I had to type in to get this up - bucultr.
whoops, I meant the other thread, the Cappy thread. my bad.
ReplyDeletedamn, I just can't help my Irish compulsion to clarify.
ReplyDelete"his first post in a room of a person he loves."
I never said I love EviLiz, What I said exactly was that I love her stuff. And I do. The site is fantastic. I had just expressed, to my everlasting regret, my frustration that the comment section seemed to be mostly just banter between friends that I did not understand.
And I have no interest in "defending" Cappy or any of the other women in the Family. I just objected to Cappy being trashed to such a vicious degree. At the very least she deserves to be treated the same as Ruth Ann and Nancy and others, does she not. Does one unflattering photo justify calling her a stupid whore and such.
Like most of the folk here, I am neither pro or con Manson or any of his gang. I am just interested is all. Leary
thanks so much for the tip, Ken.
ReplyDeleteI will try it now.
Leary7 said- I never said I love EviLiz, What I said exactly was that I love her stuff. And I do. The site is fantastic.
ReplyDeleteLeary7- its EviLiz- thanks so much for your kind words. but, you dont love me? to love the blog you MUST love me! lol
i try to pride myself on a drama free blog but today the cat was away so the "gatekeeper" played. (extra rough might i add)
other than the ocassional drama some of us(i am the biggest offender) are also rude, crude and obnoxious. plus i have a filthy mouth. you appear to not scare easily. thats good! you got a horrible welcome but still hung around. you will fit in here perfectly!!!!!!
if you have not figured it out yet, some of my members can be "momma/pappa bears" and i am their cub. i love them for that but sometimes they over react. we have had "issues" previously here so sadly we have to be on defense.
i was busy all day with personal stuff (god forbid, see what happens when i have to leave for a few) and had i known all this b.s. was going on i would have addressed it earlier myself.
this is my first time here since this morning, when things were just "festering". i didnt realize what it escalated to until about an hour ago.
matt is my partner (in crime as well) and i think he handled it well, did you? if not, let me know and i will get rid of him in a flash!!
haha
sorry about all that, not a nice welcome for you.
i try to "pride myself" on a drama free fucking blog but sometimes stuff gets unecessarily out of control. as you can see. i feel bad that this is the welcome you recieved.
i am surprised you came back for more! but glad you did. you can hang tough huh?
as for Saint- i dont know what happened. he is usually not like that and really is one of the nicest people i ever met. must of been having a bad day or somethin.
but yes he was out of line to cuss you out like that.
again my apologies to you, promise we will play nice from now on!
sincere thanks Lix, but EviLove means never having to say your sorry. Really, there is no need for you to apologize. You do an excellant job on this site, as does Matt. Man, his story on St Valentines was the balls. I never knew that stuff.
ReplyDeleteI have this saying about the Irish, of which I am...that the Irish are blunt in their affection, and even blunter in their disaffection. I had no desire whatsoever to get in a pissing contest with your friend. But I have never been able to sit by idly when someone puts words in my mouth or insults me. Or others.
With regards to Cappy, or even Manson, I am a big believer in the old adage that there but for the grace of God go I. Nobody can say for sure if we had been there how we would have reacted. Would we have been like TJ and Ella Jo and split, or like Shorty and tried to alert others? I know one of the guys who was at My Lai, one of the nicest guys in the world. Whose to say how anyone would react in extreme situations. We'd like to think we would all be John Boy and Mary Ellen, but unless we've been through similar circumstances we really can't know. And I honestly think that is why many of us retain an interest in the case - it's a projection thing, what would we have done.
So I thought your friend's condemnations were both extreme and unfair is all. Like I say, I grew up Irish, so this stuff just washes off my back. No worries. But again, thank you much for your kindness.
Now please, back to your Evil ways.
I am a big fan.
~hope you got an hour to read this~
ReplyDeleteSt.C said...
It is Matt and Liz's job to grow this room, so they will be nice to everyone- it is my job to weed out the A-holes.
*sighs a very disgusted sigh*
as for the "they will be nice to everyone" comment refering to matt and myself, not one person here(except monkey)has ever given me a reason to not be nice, yet.
i think it is EVERYONES job here to grow this room. being nasty to people, especially new people is not the way. i think we have an awesome group of people here. not ONE asshole. sometimes comments can get tense but are always handled respectfully and worked out with apologies and all. like adults. that is one of the reasons this blog is different, well i think so anyway.
i try very hard to avoid this type of bullshit you can find on all the other related blogs.
i started this blog for a million reasons, ONE of those reasons was because i didnt like the way i and other people were treated on other blogs. i started this up with certain goals and vows to not be like "other blogs"
as for whose "job" it is to weed out the assholes. ummm my blog my job maybe? matt and shawns as well. most of the time i have THE final say. if i am being unreasonable matt( a.k.a. my handler lol) settles me down.
there is no designated "weeders" and anything dealing with "weed" falls under my smoking jurisdiction and sometimes shawn's!
ST C has decided to leave the blog over all this. he feels that someone here did not defend him for talking shit to Leary. so, the unoffical "weeder/gatekeeper" position is open and we are accepting applications. but you will recieve random drug testing.
test dirty, share it with me, and we can overlook it.
like i said i was away all day and didnt even realize the place was going "shittykitty".
it was a fucked up welcome for leary7 and i do again apologize. did i mention i hate apologizing for MYSELF let alone other people? but i sucked it up. it is MY blog so it is a "reflection of me."
St.C said...
Keep talking shit about the site and its members, and you will find out for yourself how " nice' liz can be lol
not sure exactly what that means but i have kept the evil at bay since day one and have had my ass busted on, almost daily with the "your not evil" since day one. NO ONE has even seen evil YET. well, teeny bit of it came out at Xmas with monkeyboy. that was a fucking appetizer of evil my friends not the main course!! and i dont appreciate people putting words in my mouth, especially threats. i like to do my own threatening, thats half the fun right fucking there!
ST- my dear ST i know you will read this. i am sorry it has come to this but you cant just act like you run the place. i do that. you know damn well that if you went to a new site and someone attacked you in the manner you attacked Leary7 you would be heated as well. i still value your friendship even though i am pretty sure you are done with me.
you chose to leave me, i didnt ask u too.
i know you think im the asshole in all this and i am not. nor is matt or leary7. hopefully you will see that. i appreciated everything you have ever done for me. you were just defending me i understand. i never asked you to defend me but you did, like a friend does. you just went about it this time with the wrong wording. how am i supose to run a blog when someone is "fuck you-ing" someone else for a difference of opionion? a new member at that. leary7 must be a glutton for punishment cuz if i was him/her i would of said NO fuck YOU and never returned.
part 2
ReplyDeletepart 2 of 2 (dont worrt there is no more after this lol)
i consider this blog my "business" which i run. (b.t.w. the pay sucks and the hours are long) just like if you went to walmart and had a discrepancy with a cashier, the cashier should not tell you "if you dont like it fuck you and dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out"
dont hate me though- i know you will. if the roles here were reversed you would be heated at me for not addressing it. and please dont hate matt, all this and he has still not spoken a harsh word of you. speaking for matt and i- and im sure some members
we will miss you and your contributions here. you chose to leave. and if you chose to return i will gladly welcome you back.
i will hold your "gatekeeper" position for you should you decide to re-join us. but still will be accepting applications in the mean time. ;) i know you will eventually get over this and hopefully see you were in the wrong, being so unwelcoming to a new member, anonymous or not. i am far from a "perfect" person either and i know it sucks to admit when you overreact. so much for the Cali trip next year i guess?
i wish you well my friend.
Leary7- sorry again and dont let one persons ignorance detour you.
ReplyDeleteeveryone here is very easy going, if you noticed? doubt you did cuz of the b.s. we have a great group of people here and i would love for you to be a part of it.
ST like i said has "left the building". he has made himself very clear on that. and i am sure if he does return (but i dont think he will) he would never act like that again. i mentioned he is one of the nicest people i ever met. must of been having a bad day and you for some reason set him off.
im done kissing your ass now.
AND- your posts have been great. keep them coming. sorry again.
leary7 said...
ReplyDeleteI have this saying about the Irish, of which I am...that the Irish are blunt in their affection, and even blunter in their disaffection.
i am 1/2 irish and 1/2 polish so i understand. this blog and its members i feel are "a reflection of me" those actions were really uncalled for. it makes me look bad for running "the show". like i said i had no idea this was going on and i think Matt took care of it just fine in my absence.
i think i would have looked like an ignorant bitch if i ignored it.
btw i HATE fucking drama!
oh wait, damn. earlier post did get on. i just didn't scroll up far enough. sorry. please ignore the last one.
ReplyDeleteFebruary 14, 2011 6:39 AM
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
quote]Does St. stand for sanctimonious? It's one thing to have 'opinions', it's quite another to be accusatory and insulting.
and for the record, i post under anonymous because everytime i try to sign in on google it doesn't register. somehow my password isn't working though I have changed it several times
[end quote]
The whole google thing is geekitimonios crap. If anybody ever wants to wipe google off the face of the earth ask me for contributions.
To post i here you need two names and your password twice plus you have to copy a phonic jibbery. If this keeps up I'll stop my internet like I did my cable tv.