Monday, April 14, 2025

Mentalism, Magic, Mesmerism, Mirroring, and More. A Meander into Manson's Mind Manipulation Methods, Means, and Madness

 Chaos by Tom O'Neill, pg369
"The most puzzling question of all," Bugliosi wrote, was how Manson had turned his docile followers into remorseless killers. Even with the LSD, the sex, the isolation, the sleep deprivation, the social abandonment, there had to be "some intangible quality... It may be something that he learned from others."

Here are some other candidates for that 'intangible quality.'


MENTALISM

Death to Pigs, by Robert Hendrickson, c.2011 pg323
".. Phil Phillips was actually being played by the workings of a "mentalist" ..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism
...mentalists, appear to demonstrate highly developed mental or intuitive abilities. Performances may appear to include hypnosis, telepathy... mind control.... Mentalists perform a theatrical act that includes effects that may appear to employ psychic or supernatural forces but that are actually achieved by "ordinary conjuring means", natural human abilities (i.e. reading body language, refined intuition, subliminal communication, emotional intelligence), and an in-depth understanding of key principles from human psychology or other behavioral sciences....

Long Beach Independent, 10-28-70
"When I(Vern Plumlee) first met Charlie, he walked up and said 'Let me run your life down' and he did. It just kinda blew my mind. He said I had been in jail since I was 14; knew I was at McClaren (Juvenile) Hall; knew I was AWOL. I don't know how he knew."

Maybe Charlie was employing the mentalist tactic of 'cold reading.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading                                                                                                                                                                  Cold reading is a set of techniques used by mentalists, psychics, fortune-tellers, and mediums. Without prior knowledge, a practiced cold-reader can quickly obtain a great deal of information by analyzing the person's body language, age, clothing or fashion, hairstyle, gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, level of education, manner of speech, place of origin, etc. during a line of questioning. Cold readings commonly employ high-probability guesses, quickly picking up on signals as to whether their guesses are in the right direction or not, then emphasizing and reinforcing chance connections and quickly moving on from missed guesses.


Before He Became a Monster by Lawson McDowell
By fourteen, Charlie had an uncanny ability to decipher the unspoken vocabulary of body language. His skills were as honed as those of the best analysts.

The Mind Manipulators, by Alan W. Scheflin and Edward Opton, c.1978  pg38
Through his uncanny ability, developed and refined in prison, to see straight through to a person's weaknesses. Charlie was able to build up an immediate trust on the part of the women, and to appear clairvoyant and, therefore, omnipotent.

Dianne Lake 2022 interview
"He (Manson) ...had an uncanny ability to read people..."


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MAGIC

Manson also used simple magic tricks to impress his followers with his powers:

Lynette Fromme says in Reflexion, pg19, shortly after first meeting Charlie:
"Later that night I watched cards, coins, and cigarettes disappear and reappear, slipping through his(Manson's) fingers. Not only did the tricks capture my awe, but his showmanship and spirit did too. I had to remind myself that this person could barely read..."

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/mentalism/articles/history-of-mentalism/
These talented mind manipulation artists combine their keen understanding of human psychology with excellent showmanship and theatrics to create the illusion of extraordinary powers.

Death to Pigs, pg461
Good: "We've seen him do, you know, what people call supernatural things. We saw him bring a bird back to life. We've seen him jump over things that no human being could jump over, all kinds of things."

Bringing a bird back to life is actually a fairly common magic trick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxQc3HbHJ88


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HYPNOSIS

Manson apparently had sophisticated hypnosis skills, too:

medium.com/@donallogue/before-helter-skelter-2b86c0d3d8d0
(Danny Trejo) said (Manson) had hypnotic powers.
“That was the dude’s trick,” Danny said. “He survived inside by getting people high just talking to them. If he wasn’t a career criminal he might have been one of those dudes who went to high schools and state fairs, the kind that brings people up on stage and gets them to do stupid things like pretend they’re a cat and sh**.”

Helter Skelter, pg162
Joseph Krenwinkel, father of Pat, re Manson:
"I am convinced he was some kind of hypnotist."

Death to Pigs, pg327
Interviewer: "How could he control people like that?"
Inyo County Deputy Sheriff Don Ward: "Through suggestion--through mysticism--hypnosis if you wanna call it."

Shadow Over Santa Susanna, by Adam Gorightly, pg23
Most likely, Charlie employed various elements of hypnotism. It all had to do with the cadence of his voice, the intense look in his eyes, and the rhythmic movements he made with his hands and body.

Cease to Exist – Charles Manson, the Beach Boys and the Death of the Sixties
Atkins: "And as he sang, the song that hit me hardest was The Shadow of Your Smile. Even before I saw him, while I was still in the kitchen, his voice just hypnotised me, mesmerised me. Then, when I saw him, I fell absolutely in love with him."

Death to Pigs, pg244
Brooks: "Well, before when he put his motions in with it, all he had to do was start his motions and it's like, I would immediately turn on like a computer. Like, the button would be clicked and I'd become whatever machine or whatever tape was playing at the time."

http://www.woodstockjournal.com/pdf/RFK%27sFinalDayA.pdf
In late August of 1964 CIA off-oid Sydney Gottlieb
put into place a project called MK-SEARCH.
“A member of the American Society of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis was recruited for the purpose. The hypnotist was dubbed ‘Fingers’ by Dr. Gottlieb from the theatrical way he used his hands to put a patient into a trance."

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ACTING

Amazing acting skills were also part of his repertoire:

Reflexion, pg88
"Charlie was full of characters who took our attention, among them a lounge singer, a cowboy crooner, and "Hyme Feinschleister," a nebbish."

Will You Die For Me? by Tex Watson
He described Manson as a chameleon."And with each change he could be born anew... Hollywood slicker, jail tough, rock star, guru, child, tramp, angel, devil, son of God."

Member of the Family by Dianne Lake
"He could change his voice, intonation, and accent depending upon who was on the receiving end.   ,,,,
Charlie used the shape of his eyebrows and the muscles in his face to become different people. He must have practiced a lot in prison, because he could isolate parts of his face that I didn't realize could move separately from the whole, dropping his brows in unison and then raising up only one. Then he made a V with his brows that made him look like the devil. With every movement of his face, his eyes changed as well, like a shapeshifter creating the illusion of different people and personalities."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tdb8w6UHw8 15:25
Dianne Lake 2022 interview
"He (Manson)just had this uncanny ability to morph into these different personalities and people..."
 



https://www.cielodrive.com/archive/charlie-mansons-music-still-rings/
Curt Gentry, co-author of Helter Skelter
"He can change his face so amazingly and there are so many facets of his personality. He seems able to be whatever a person wants or needs him to be,” Gentry said.

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LSD

Charlie's employment of LSD to influence his recruits is well known, using some well placed props:

Shadow Over Santa Susanna,  pg17
On the wall of Manson's pad was a picture of Jesus, and below it Charlie often sat, sending out heavy vibes. ... Brockman was stunned by the realization that, if one dropped enough acid, then--like a psychelic alchemist--Charlie could manipulate the elements, turning himself into Jesus at will. "Charlie as Jesus was branded into my thoughts.... .. I knew I couldn't submit to whatever it was the idea of Charlie as Jesus expected of me. I only knew the man was playing heavy games. Charlie could plant that in a person's head, or create it, the same way a magician creates a bunch of flowers in the air.."

Transcript from May 1977 LVH retrial:
“Looking back,” she said, “I know he (Manson) used the acid and the acid trips (for the group living at the Spahn ranch near Chatsworth) to help encourage us to lose our own identities."


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PSYCHOLOGY

Charlie also used his knowledge of human nature to exploit people's vulnerablities:

Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered by Lester Grinspoon c. 1997  pg186
In a 1977 prison interview with one of the authors... When she(LVH) became attached to Manson as a father-substitute, he taught her to "get rid of Leslie": abandon the self that cut her off from the work, and allow it to die so that she could give herself up completely to him. She had to purge from her mind everything that her parents had taught her--what Manson called "reflections."

https://www.stlmag.com/news/years-of-chat-with-charles-manson/
Ken Dickerson, 20 in 2017, Manson pen pal 2005 to 2012
"He always wanted people to get rid of their ego..
--“He would make sure that any weirdness you had inside you, he found it.” Manson used that knowledge two ways: “He’d make you feel good about yourself, always make sure that you were happy in one way or another, give you compliments. If you didn’t feel comfortable with your body, he’d always say, ‘You are perfect. There’s nothing wrong with you. What’s wrong is other people judging.’” On the other hand, he also knew how to “make you as uncomfortable as possible.” Suggest homosexuality to someone who was totally straight. Keep people off base."

www.oxygen.com/true-crime-buzz/helter-skelter-charles-manson-follower-stephanie-schram
Schram said there was something about the cult leader that immediately drew her to him.
“He just had something and it’s hard to put your finger on it, but he made you feel so special,” she said on the podcast. “It was as if he could read your thoughts. He told you what you wanted to hear, somehow he knew that.”

hallegralansing.medium.com/was-the-manson-family-a-cult-c3626b939239
Manson frequently used fear of rejection, guilt over disloyalty... to maintain control.
 
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VISUALIZATIONS

Examples of how Charlie manipulated his followers, according to Tex Watson psych reports:


From Dr. Joel Fort's interview of July 1971, pg6:
"In recalling his life on the ranch Watson states that a "bunch of times Manson would give us a lot of acid and have us play games with make believe people there and us killing them. " "

From Dr. A. Tweed's interview of June 15, 1971, pg4,7,8:
.... Every night, while they were under the influence of various drugs, Manson would work through their fear and resistance against killing. ... He(Watson) became so confused during that period that he began to see imaginary people which were being "killed" in these situations which Manson was creating for them to visualize.

Alone with the Devil
by Ronald Markman and Dominick Bosco, c.1989 pg205
Manson led the Family in "visualizations" where they were imagined they were killing people. ... they would go through exercises in which they would kill "imaginary people,' who were visualized sitting on chairs in the middle of the group.

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MIRRORING

No Journey's End My Tragic Romance With Ex Manson Girl
, Leslie Van Houten (c.2015) by Peter Chiaramonte, pg n49
Charlie had plenty of experience handling runaway teenaged girls like Leslie before. First, he tacitly implied he possessed insight into all of her lonely disaffections. For example, he used a common theatrical device to mirror her moods. By copying each changing expression or gesture Leslie made, Manson intended to show how well he could identify what she was thinking and feeling.

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LOVE BOMBING

-'Love Bombing' is showering the subject with intense affection and praise

Dianne Lake: "[Manson] made you feel like you were his one and only love. ... He made you feel really special, and specially loved."
“He called me beautiful. He made me feel like I belonged, like I was important.” (Lake & Herman, Member of the Family, c. 2017)

LVH letter written not long after being sent to prison:
"Charlie gave me and Bobbie a warm hug before we left. His touch was gentle. The love put forth in that hug I can still recall. I carried the memory of it for a long time knowing I had already become part of the family."
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ937CtExjw&list=PL5ExWv9LjBFQPZxAwcwTdWFQjVodmuhSh&index=3

Hoyt: "I felt like I was loved and accepted the way I was. It was unconditional. I needed that."
https://lamag.com/lahistory/manson-an-oral-history

Sharon Rayfield, a girl who lived near the Spahn Ranch and rode horses there, said: “I always thought I was ugly, but Charlie made me feel beautiful.”
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/01/04/archives/charlie-manson-one-mans-family-charlie-manson-one-mans-family.html

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FEAR

No Journey's End, Chiaramonte (c.2015) pg24
...Mr. Bugliosi discussed the ways Manson used fear to make his followers' sense of themselves disappear, so he could replace their will with his own. In fact, Bugliosi admitted, "Whether he perfected this technique in prison or later is not known, but it was one of his most effective tools for controlling others."

Death to Pigs, by Robert Hendrickson, pg209
Watkins:  He'd say it like this, "if you go against me, I'll kill you." He said that many times."

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THE RUSSIAN SCAM

Give something to get something back

Another tactic that Charlie used was something known as the "Russian Scam" in magic circles. It's based on the theory of reciprocity. The magician gives you something--like a playing card--and he then gets you to give him something back--like your wallet.
Charlie of course was known for giving a lot of stuff away--cars, cash, sex with his girls--but you can bet he always demanded or expected something in return. Note how Charlie used this tactic to get Tex to go to Cielo when Charlie reminded Tex that he had killed for Tex(referring to the shooting of Crowe) so Tex had to kill for him.

Cease to Exist – Charles Manson, the Beach Boys and the Death of the Sixties
Charlie was no hippie. He was an entrepreneur. He gave people things – drugs, his own shirt – to get things back. ....


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STRUGGLE SESSIONS

Communist-style indoctrination techniques used:

LVH: "It was a strange feeling to see them all sharing their food and listening to each other tell secrets about themselves most people would have been ashamed to ever reveal. The hang ups they had, things they'd done, and incidents that used to upset them. As one would tell of a situation, others would listen, then giggle because each of us had the same ones. It seems that by doing this, the Family became so much closer. Instead of hiding from one another, we were learning to show off for one another. .... Soon, I became accustomed to revealing my personality's hidden secrets. Everytime I gave one up, it was gone forever, never to haunt me again."

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REPETITION, RHYME-AS-REASON, and CHARLIE-BABBLE


The Mind Manipulators
, by Alan W. Scheflin and Edward Opton, c.1978  pg39
Another aspect of the indoctrination process that served to increase Manson's control over his Family is a technique familiar to all persons interested in persuasion, from teachers to brainwashers... repetition. He preached his philosophy daily, over and over again. ... This daily drumming-in of doctrine, did much to erase the members' former thoughts.

youtu.be/rs03qn8uSCk
"Cult leaders often use this rhyming, ambiguous language as a tool to exert control over followers. This can be explained by a few key principles here.
"First, there is something in psychology called the 'Rhyme as Reason' effect. We tend to make this error because it suggests that statements that rhyme are perceived as more truthful, So rhyming makes a statement easier to remember and process, which tells our brain, 'Oh, that must be some good data there.' ["Thinkin' is stinkin'" "If the glove does not fit, you must acquit."]
"Second, ambiguous or nonsensical language [Charlie babble] can create mental confusion or cognitive dissonance, so its a form of a confusion technique where the leader obliterates the familiar, and replaces it with weird, and makes you more susceptible.
"Finally, unusual language can serve to separate the cult from the outside world and kind of creates a unique little vocabulary that only members think that they understand."
["(prosecutor Dino Fulgoni at LVH's second re-trial) ...stated that the mansonites actually used a private language as part of their everyday communications."]


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AMORALITY

Another big weapon that Charlie used to bastardize the minds of his followers was his relentless promotion of amorality--the absence of any morality at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorality
Amorality (also known as amoralism) is an absence of, indifference towards, disregard for, or incapacity for morality. ... Amoral should not be confused with immoral, which refers to an agent doing or thinking something they know or believe to be wrong.

Witness to Evil, by George Bishop c.1971 pg352
Manson told Jacobson, through the course of many conversations, that he believed there was no such thing as right or wrong and that he personally could do no right or wrong.
Q: (Bugliosi) He told you that it was not wrong to kill?
A: Yes

lamag.com/lahistory/manson-an-oral-history
Bugliosi: While they were on these trips he’d say, “Who says it’s wrong to kill? There’s nothing wrong with death. Death is a very beautiful thing.”

Alone with the Devil by Ronald Markman and Dominick Bosco, c.1989 pg205
...a major part of the Family program planned by Manson was their fear and resistance to killing. Manson led the Family in "visualizations" where they were imagined they were killing people. Manson told them there was no such thing as bad and no such thing as wrong,  Also, Tex recounted, "there was no such thing as death, so it was not wrong to kill a fellow human being." ... And then they would go through exercises in which they would kill "imaginary people,' who were visualized sitting on chairs in the middle of the group. "He'd tell us that they were already dead, and that the only people that were, were at the ranch."

The Manson Women, a "Family" Portrait, by Clara Livsey MD, c.1980 pg196
She(Lynette) was admired and respected by Manson, unconditionally. ...she felt that according to Manson she could do no wrong.

Will You Die for Me? by Tex Watson pg67
I quoted Charlie and told her(Kasabian) that there was no wrong, no sin; everything anyone had was meant to be shared.

Witness to Evil, by George Bishop c.1971 pg7
I asked if they have any sense of remorse for anything they might have done.
"No guilt feelings at all," Fitzgerald replied. "They've been conditioned away from society's generally accepted mores."

Death to Pigs, by Robert Hendrickson, c.2011 pg367
Ronnie Howard: " ...they really don't see that they've done anything wrong. ... if you wanna call it a religion or cult or whatever, that's the way they believe. They do not believe they have done anything wrong. After all, they haven't killed the soul, they've only killed the body or bodies. ... So they were doing people a favor."

IMO, it was this, rather than any inherent coldness or callousness, that caused all the inappropriate behavior by the girls in the courts--the singing, the giggling, etc.



The success Charlie had conning people out of their property is a testament to his powers:

Death to Pigs, pg230
Watkins: "Charlie could go into some guy's house and talk him out of a ten thousand dollar piano."

The Family, pg50
-"Manson.. gave to Melba(Cronkite) a 1967 Red Ford Mustang which a New Yorker named Michael... had given to Manson."

Death to Pigs, pg258
Watkins: When a guy goes off the ranch and comes back thirty minutes later and has a car and two hundred dollars and says somebody gave it to him. you know. He used to do that...

Reflexion, pg120
Lynette: "I don't think I ever heard him directly ask for money, but it seemed that people couldn't wait to give it to him."

The Myth of Helter Skelter by Susan Atkins-Whitehouse ©2012 (credit to H. Allegra Lansing)
Sandra Good has reported to have given Charles Manson over $6,000… Linda Kasabian confessed to stealing $5,000 and giving it to the Family. Juanita donated over $10,000 and her van, turning it all over to Charles Manson. And poor Dennis Wilson estimated he spent close to $100,000 on Charles Manson during the several months he provided for the Family.



The point of this thread is not to show that Manson had some kind of natural affinity for one or two mind-manipulation skills. The point, rather,  is to show that Manson seemed to be EXPERT in ALL of them.  Charlie wasn't just good at what he did, he was TOO good.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism
Like any performing art, mentalism requires years of dedication, extensive study, practice, and skill to perform well and perfect.

Charlie developed a high degree of expertise in the use of these mental techniques. The question is, where did Charlie acquire these skills? He didn't get it from reading a book on magic tricks or hypnosis. Someone must have taught him.  He probably spent years being schooled in the various techniques by multiple experts in their respective fields.

We all know that Alvin Creepy Karpis schooled Charlie in prison on the rudiments of playing the steel guitar. So why don't we know the names of these other teachers?


Monday, March 31, 2025

Gibbie being surveilled?

 This poster on a defunct forum claims to have had connections to the case via her dad's friendship with Vince Bugliosi, and posted this re Gibbie:


http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/maybe-something-new-maybe-not.5232/
When Abigail moved to NYC, she did so with the blessing of her father. He was eager to see her begin a career and was hoping that she might also be introduced to another blue-blood, marry, and have little blue-bloods. But we know that Gibbie liked the bad boys and had a few of them as paramours prior to her being introduced to Voytek.


Peter Sr. immediately became suspicious of the new man in his daughter's life, after all he was an immigrant who had only been in the US for a very short time and seemed to have neither ambition nor money.

What many do not know is that from very early on in their relationship, Peter Sr. had all of Gibbie's and Voytek's comings and goings monitored. Peter Sr. had an investigative and security team which could put the CIA and FBI to shame. In fact, both of these teams were made up of former members of these institutes and of the Secret Service as well as other high-ranking retired military men. His legal team was beyond reproach as well.





Needless to say, Gibbie was on a much shorter leash than she believed she was. And the heat on she and Voytek only increased with their move to California. Peter did not approve of Voytek whom he saw as an opportunistic cad who was riding on Gibbie's financial coattails.

This being said, Peter Sr. did have Voytek extensively investigated and traced his whereabouts in the US prior to meeting Gibbie and throughout Europe. Unfortunately, for those tin-foil hat wearers, Peter Sr. was only able to find out that Voytek was a deadbeat dad and husband having left behind in Poland both a wife and son who were barely getting by while he was flitting around Abigail's fortune. He also found out that although Voytek was a drug user, and a sometimes seller of the stuff, he was not a dealer of any notability.

It has been said that Voytek didn't want to marry Gibbie because of her money. That's total BS. He would have jumped at the chance at marrying her had it been possible. But it couldn't, because, #1 he was married already, and #2 Peter Sr. was in the process of putting in place an iron-clad pre-nup should the event ever occur. There was no way Voytek was ever going to inherit a penny from Abigail other than what she willingly gave him while alive.

Voytek was a cad, and a user...no doubt, but he wasn't a high-level drug-dealer as much as we would like to believe he was.   ....

Abigail was watched the entire time she was living in LA.  ...

Peter Sr. had people stationed in LA who reported back to him regularly about Abigail's whereabouts. I do know that he was concerned about the frequency of her visits with her psychiatrist. He was afraid that this information would get into public hands and that Abigail would be perceived as "unstable". Back then, seeing a shrink wasn't nearly as accepted as it is today. There was a definite stigma associated with it.

As far as Voytek was concerned, he was definitely low-level when it came to drug-selling. Peter thought him to be dangerous to Abigail not so much because of who he would expose her to, but rather because he could provide her with drugs that she could become dependent on. He was suspicious of Jay too but not for the same reasons. Abigail had asked her father to look into investing in Sebring International. Jay was not a great businessman. His forte was PR and the actual artistry of the cut. When he died he was in debt, not to drug dealers but to creditors. He tried to expand too much and too quickly and this is what Peter was wary of.

Peter Sr. was an incredible businessman and he did question Abigail's judgment in investing in Jay's company even though the amount of her investment was negligible. He was looking into Sebring International's fiscal viability at the time of the murders. I doubt he would have invested had that night not happened because Jay had bitten off more than he could chew.

I will say that Jay's investors were all legit. There was not money laundering within his business nor were there any sketchy shareholders. This was all confirmed via investigation by the DA's office.

 

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Thoughts?  It sounds realistic, imo.

Monday, March 24, 2025

Anthony DiMaria (Jay Sebring’s Nephew) Interview Pt 1

"I had the pleasure of interviewing the nephew of Jay Sebring Anthony DiMaria. Anthony has spent over two decades gathering information and speaking to people who knew his uncle as well as authorities, authors and other victims families. He gives us a candid and heartfelt interview about his family, the after-effects of the murders, what he found out has been misconstrued about his uncle and his fight to keep the killers in prison. any of the information we speak about with backing paperwork will be added to our Facebook page and linked below along with links to his book and documentary sites for ‪@JaySebringCuttingtotheTruth‬."

 

Monday, March 17, 2025

Larry Buendorf, U.S. Agent Who Saved President Ford, Dies at 87

By Sam Roberts NY Times
March 13, 2025

By grabbing a loaded handgun from Squeaky Fromme in 1975, Mr. Buendorf, as part of a Secret Service detail, thwarted a would-be assassin in California's capital.

Larry Buendorf, foreground, with President Gerald R. Ford at McClellan Air Force Base in California the afternoon after the assassination attempt by Lynette (Squeaky) Fromme.Credit...David Hume Kennerly/Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library

Larry Buendorf, the Secret Service agent who, by wresting a handgun away from Lynette (Squeaky) Fromme, was credited with saving the life of President Gerald R. Ford in an assassination attempt in 1975 in California, died on Sunday at his home in Colorado Springs. He was 87.

His death was announced by his wife, Linda.

After leaving the government in 1993, Mr. Buendorf (pronounced BOON-dorf) was the chief security officer for the United States Olympic Committee until he retired in 2018.

On Sept. 5, 1975, President Ford spurned his limousine, which was idling outside the Senator Hotel in Sacramento, and, flanked by Secret Service agents, strode across the street to greet a throng of well-wishers on his way to the State Capitol to meet with Gov. Edmund G. Brown Jr.

"My position was right at his shoulder," Mr. Buendorf recalled in 2010 in an interview for the President Gerald R. Ford Oral History Project.

"Squeaky was back in the crowd, maybe one person back, and she had an ankle holster on with a .45," he said, referring to a .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol. "That's a big gun to have on your ankle. So, when it came up, it came up low, and I happened to be looking in that direction, I see it coming, and I step in front of him, not sure what it was other than that it was coming up pretty fast, and yelled out ‘Gun!' When I yelled out ‘Gun!' I popped that .45 out of her hand."

He added: "I got a hold of her fingers, and she's screaming — the crowd is screaming — and I'm thinking, ‘I don't have a vest on, I don't know where the next shot is coming from,' and that I don't think she's alone. All of this is going on while I'm trying to control her."

Lynette (Squeaky) Fromme was handcuffed by security agents in Sacramento after Mr. Buendorf grabbed a gun that she was about to use against President Ford.Credit...Associated Press

"She turns around, and I pulled her arm back and dropped her to the ground, and agents and police come from the back of the crowd" as Ms. Fromme shrieked in disbelief, he said.

"She's screaming, ‘It didn't go off!'" he continued. "I had it in my hand. I knew what she was doing, she was pulling back on the slide, and I hit the slide before she could chamber a round. If she'd had a round chambered, I couldn't have been there in time. It would've gone through me and the president."

Ms. Fromme, who was nicknamed Squeaky because of her high-pitched voice, was a 26-year-old disciple of the cult leader Charles Manson, whose gang's brutal killing spree in 1969 claimed the lives of the actress Sharon Tate and eight others.

Cloaked in a full-length red robe and matching turban, Ms. Fromme had cocked the hammer, but none of the four bullets that the gun was armed with had entered the chamber yet.

Testifying for the prosecution at Ms. Fromme's trial, Mr. Buendorf said she jerked the gun when he grabbed it "as though she was trying to pull it away or fire it." Other agents hustled Mr. Ford to safety.

"I was in the right place at the right time," Mr. Buendorf, who was 37 at the time and had been an agent for five years, said. "If I had been looking someplace else, who knows how history would have changed."

Ms. Fromme was convicted of attempted assassination and sentenced to life in prison. She was paroled in 2009.

Harvey Schiller, the former chief executive of the Olympic Committee who hired Mr. Buendorf, described him in an interview as "a real hero who was universally loved and trusted."

Mr. Buendorf while he was on the job protecting Mr. Ford, days after the assassination attempt. Credit...United Press International

Lawrence Merle Buendorf was born on Nov. 18, 1937, in Wells, a city of about 2,000 in southern Minnesota. His father, Merle, managed a furniture store. His mother was Ruby (Meyer) Buendorf.

In high school, Larry himself was a president — of his junior class. He earned a Bachelor of Science degree in business from Mankato State College (now Minnesota State University, Mankato) in 1959, then joined the U.S. Navy and became a pilot during the Vietnam War.

"I think he wanted to serve the country in the military — that was his first choice — and wanted to be a defender of freedom," Mr. Schiller, the Olympic Committee official, said.


Mr. Buendorf pointed at reporters as he and President Jimmy Carter left the White House press room after a briefing in 1977. Mr. Buendorf had earlier been assigned to protect Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Ford.Credit...Peter Bregg/Associated Press

After he was discharged in 1970, Mr. Buendorf applied to the Secret Service and the F.B.I. and was accepted by both. Choosing the Secret Service, he was assigned to its Chicago field office before being deployed in 1972 to the Presidential Protective Division in Washington, where he helped safeguard Presidents Richard M. Nixon, Ford and Jimmy Carter.

He served in the Denver field office from 1977 to 1982 and ran the Omaha office from 1982 to 1983 before returning to the Protective Division, where he became special agent in charge of a California-based team that was assigned to Mr. Ford. Mr. Buendorf retired from the Secret Service in 1993. Mr. Ford died in 2006, at his home in Rancho Mirage, Calif.

When Mr. Ford skied, Mr. Buendorf's job was "to make sure that he didn't trip over his own skis or let the chair hit him," he said, referring to mountain ski-chair lifts — although he added that the president was actually a good athlete. When Mr. Ford went swimming in the ocean, Mr. Buendorf said, "I was one of the assigned swimmers that would go out as shark bait — go further out than the president — and swim along."

He was awarded the U.S. Treasury Meritorious Service Award (the service was an arm of the Treasury Department until 2003, when it was transferred to the Department of Homeland Security) and the United States Secret Service Valor Award.

In addition to his wife, Linda (Allen) Buendorf, whom he married in 2013, Mr. Buendorf is survived by a daughter, Kimberly, from a previous marriage; a stepdaughter, Stephanie; and three grandchildren.

Even after Mr. Buendorf left government service, he and Mr. Ford maintained their relationship; they touched base by phone almost every Sept. 5, the anniversary of the assassination attempt.

Mr. Buendorf in 2004, when he was the chief security officer for the United States Olympic Committee.Credit...John Marshall Mantel for The New York Times

At the Olympic Committee, he supervised security at its headquarters in Colorado Springs and at training sites in Lake Placid, N.Y., and Chula Vista, Calif.

During the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, he oversaw the safety of the athletes after a call to 911 warned of a terrorist's pipe bomb in the Centennial Olympic Park. The explosion killed one person and injured more than a hundred.

"Him smiling gives you a lot of confidence," Rulon Gardner, who won a gold medal in Greco-Roman wrestling at the 2000 Sydney Olympics in Australia, told The Gazette of Colorado Springs. "You feel like you had a cocoon whenever you traveled with him. You put him in a 450-degree oven and he's as cool as ice. The man will not sweat."

After the attack in 1975, Mr. Ford resumed his prearranged schedule, meeting with Governor Brown and then returning to Air Force One, where he was met by his wife, Betty Ford, who, Mr. Buendorf said, "had been off doing her thing."

Mr. Buendorf was being debriefed at the time, but he vividly remembered the president's account of her greeting.

"He said he approached the plane and Mrs. Ford goes, ‘So, how was your day?'" Mr. Buendorf recalled in the oral history interview, with the biographer Richard Norton Smith.

"‘How was your day?'" Mr. Smith repeated quizzically. "I assume he wanted to tell her very gently. I mean, how do you answer that?"

Sam Roberts is an obituaries reporter for The Times, writing mini-biographies about the lives of remarkable people. More about Sam Roberts


Monday, March 10, 2025

Disappearing Act: The Avulsion Cut (GRAPHIC)


Video interview of TLB first responder LAPD Robert Burbridge:

"The only wound I could see on Sharon Tate was right in her pregnant belly. It was a big gash... like an avulsion cut... It's like they were almost going to cut the baby out of her, that's what it looked like."


It appears to me that there is indeed a large, deep, horizontal 'avulsion' cut across Sharon's belly, filled with blood.  Also, there appears to be a shorter vertical slash through the middle of the horizontal cut, as though an 'X' was cut into the flesh of the belly.  

 Greg King, Sharon Tate and the Manson Murders, c. 2000  pg243
Time magazine 8-15-69: "..there was an X cut on her(Tate's) stomach." 

 

Also note the puckering and swelling in the flesh along the borders of the horizontal cut.  This suggests the wound was inflicted while Sharon was still alive.





Though this prominent and clearly visible cut mark is not mentioned in the autopsy report of Sharon Tate. 

Nor is it marked on the autopsy diagram.


Tate Autopsy Report
'There are four stab wounds on the chest.  ...others labeled #5 through #16 are described in a subsequent report.'


So why the discrepancy?  Was it because the avulsion cut suggests it was done for the purposes of removing the baby from the womb, as Burbridge suspected, and that the prosecution did not want to go there, for whatever reason?


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The only possible reference to the avulsion cut on the frontal autopsy diagram is a 'stab wound #5'.  Oddly, there is another 'stab wound #5" marked on the rear view of the autopsy diagram.


Was this the coroner's roundabout way of letting us know that there was something hinky about 'stab wound #5'?  Or did The LA County Coroner's Office suffer a bout of "sudden-onset amateur hour" syndrome?





Friday, February 21, 2025

What Did the CIA Know About Charles Manson? Netflix’s ‘Chaos’ Dives Into Conspiracy Theory

"It's a strange, surreal excursion into some no man's land of investigation," director Errol Morris says of the new documentary, which is based on Tom O'Neill's 2019 book

By Jon Blistein

February 21, 2025 


When Errol Morris was a graduate student in philosophy at University of California Berkeley, he made a "pilgrimage" to the California Medical Facility prison in Vacaville. Interested in insanity pleas and murder, the future Oscar-winning documentarian was there to interview the serial killer Ed Kemper. But while at the CMF, he was given another unexpected opportunity. 

"I was asked by the guard following my interview, 'You interested in meeting Charles Manson?'" Morris recalls in a recent interview. "And I said, 'Sure! Of course I am.'" 

The meeting didn't amount to much, Morris says: "Manson wanted to complain to me about his lack of masturbation privileges," he quips. Still, this was the mid-Seventies, and Manson remained a phenomenon. In 1971, the wild-eyed Svengali had been convicted on murder charges related to the Tate-LaBianca killings, carried out two years earlier by members of his so-called Family. In 1974, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi published his best-selling book Helter Skelter, in which he recounted the case — centered around Manson's apparent desire to ignite an apocalyptic race-war —  that had secured his conviction. "Everybody was aware of this case," Morris says. "It's one of the most famous cases in American history, if not world history. And a lot of people, including myself, had read more than one book about it." He cites Helter Skelter, as well as Ed Sanders' The Family, though it was the former that forward the narrative that would define the Manson murders for years — one centered on LSD, brainwashing, out of control hippies, race wars, and the Beatles. 

Decades later, a new book would complicate that narrative. Tom O'Neill's Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties, co-written with journalist Dan Piepenbring and published in 2019, punctured Bugliosi's case, arguing the prosecutor hid evidence, coerced witnesses into lying, and pushed falsehoods that may have provided cover for other dark forces swirling around Manson — chief among them, the Central Intelligence Agency and its top-secret MKULTRA mind-control program. O'Neill's reporting suggested the Manson killings weren't a product of poisoned free-love, but a kind of blowback from the CIA's own experiments with LSD and brainwashing. And a cover-up may have furthered the aims of domestic espionage operations like the CIA's CHAOS and the FBI's COINTELPRO, which targeted and discredited radical movements whether hippies, Black Panthers, or anti-war activists.

O'Neill's book serves as the basis for Morris' new documentary, Chaos: The Manson Murders, which hits Netflix March 7. (The film's trailer is also premiering today, exclusively via Rolling Stone.) O'Neill's book is thrilling but dense, filled with countless threads to pull and dark corridors to explore. It could've easily been turned into a multi-part series, but Morris instead distilled the book's essence and most significant arguments into a 90-minute documentary that elucidates the potential links between Manson and the CIA, while using the case's myriad unanswered questions as a jumping off point to "reflect on the nature of investigations and truth."

But O'Neill also acknowledges that his reporting encroaches upon a truth that remains elusive. He still cannot, for instance, place West and Manson in the same room together. This ambiguity leads Morris to describe Chaos as "a strange, surreal excursion into some no man's land of investigation." For his new film, Morris embraced the uncertainties and instead tried to "deal with various accounts of why Manson committed these murders." 

Morris was first introduced to O'Neill, and his investigation, while the journalist was still struggling to finish his book. In fact, Morris says he was brought in to help O'Neil with this "labyrinthine enterprise." Morris spent three days interviewing O'Neill in his apartment, bursting with Manson research — "Folder after folder, box after box after box, cassette tape after cassette tape after cassette tape" — but O'Neill ultimately decided against the film. He went on to finish the book with Piepenbring, and after it became a hit, he reconnected with Morris to see if he wanted to finish the movie. 

Morris was eager to do just that. "I've probably read [Chaos] more times than I would like to admit," Morris says, adding: "Reading Tom's book, knowing Tom, and interviewing Tom has been an experience in and of itself. It's a very odd thing to say but true: Tom's book has caused me to reflect on the nature of investigations and the nature of truth." 

Tom O'Neill's 2019 book 'Chaos' introduced the theory that the CIA may have been studying the Manson Family long before the murders

Morris knows what it's like to obsess over a confounding case or fall down a CIA-sized rabbit hole. He did both in his 2017 miniseries Wormwood, about the mysterious MKULTRA-linked death of scientist Frank Olson. And his 2012 book, Wilderness of Error, probed the case of former Green Beret surgeon, Jeffrey MacDonald, convicted of killing his pregnant wife and two daughters; while Morris believes he showed the prosecution of MacDonald was "a violation of what we take to be due process," he acknowledges he was not successful in proving MacDonald's guilt or innocence. Morris is drawn to the "strange gray area of hunches, suppositions, [and] strange beliefs," but remains committed to the truth, even though he knows attaining it, in full, is rarely possible. (Through "sheer, obsession, diligence, and luck," he says, he came closest in 1988's The Thin Blue Line, which helped exonerate convicted murderer Randall Dale Adams.)

With Manson, the case is replete with — to paraphrase another Morris subject, Donald Rumsfeld — known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. "There will be so many questions about this murder that will never be answered," Morris says. "Or let's just put it this way: I don't have answers to them, and I'm not sure when those answers will be forthcoming. I guess never say never."

What Morris feels he can say definitively is that Chaos dismantles the Helter Skelter theory. "I find Bugliosi's version far-fetched," Morris says. "Do I believe the Beatles and 'Helter Skelter' and the whole dream of a race war motivated this story? I think it's unlikely."

More far-fetched than a version involving MKULTRA and CIA experiments?

"I think it is," Morris says with a smile. "Was that stuff going on? Yes. Was it going on with Manson? Maybe." 

In lieu of concrete answers, Morris latched onto other people and elements of the mystery, like Manson's music. The film is partly soundtracked by Manson demo recordings, and features an interview with Gregg Jakobson, a talent scout and close friends of the Beach Boys' Dennis Wilson, who famously wound up in Manson's orbit. (Wilson earned Manson's ire when he remade Manson's song "Cease to Exist" as the Beach Boys' "Never Learn Not to Love," without giving Manson credit.) 

"I like Manson's music!" Morris exclaims. "Call me a fool. But I think there's something really interesting [about it], and a lot of other people were interested in his music." 

Morris pushes back against what he calls the "default position that Manson was deeply untalented" and suggests his songs reveal "the desperation of the man." He's also partial to the theory that Manson's rejection by the record producer Terry Melcher played a role in the Tate-LaBianca murders. Melcher famously lived at the house at 10050 Cielo Drive before Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate moved in. Revenge — not unlike MKULTRA and LSD mind control — feels less far-fetched than "Helter Skelter." 

"We've all heard the argument that we should default to the simplest explanation, but maybe there is no simple explanation," Morris says. "Maybe there's just a stupid explanation. The explanation of confusion, cross purposes, people who don't know what they're doing, and have mixed, confused reasons for doing anything."

Bobby Beausoleil was arrested for murder a day before the Tate massacre took place.

Bobby Beausoleil was arrested for murder a day before the Tate massacre took place

Morris found this thread, too, in the story of Bobby Beausoleil, the Family member serving a life sentence for murdering Gary Hinman in July 1969, a few weeks before the Tate-LaBianca killings. As Beausoleil recalls in the doc, he was confronting Hinman over a drug deal gone bad when Manson barged in, slashed Hinman's face, then left Beausoleil to deal with his mess. Worried Hinman would snitch if he took him to an emergency room, Beausoleil says he called Manson and demanded he fix the problem. Manson allegedly told Beausoleil that he "knew what to do as well as" Manson did, then hung up the phone. 

"I've asked Bobby several times, 'You kill Hinman, you take his car, you put the murder weapon in the car, so that when you're ultimately arrested, they have the car, the murder weapon, and you! Who does that kind of thing?' The only explanation that I have, and I've said this many times to Bobby, is it's all incredibly so stupid. But not so stupid that it didn't actually happen."

While Morris says O'Neill "discounts" much of what Beausoleil says, the filmmaker found him "entirely compelling" — not because he believed everything Beausoleil told him, but because, over 50 years later, he was still "trying desperately to come to terms with what he had done and what happened to him."

He adds, "In everything that Bobby says to me, he too is trying to grapple with, if you like, the stupidity of it all. I sometimes look back on my life and I think, 'My god, this was stupid. How could you have ever lived it?' And the fact that Bobby is grappling with it still, I find endlessly interesting and moving."

Morris even gives Beausoleil the penultimate word in Chaos (Manson, obviously, gets the last), as he succinctly meditates on peoples' fondness for fantasy, speculation, and conspiracy when reality is often so much more mundane — even stupid. 

"Could it be that some things are just a result of confusion and ignorance?" Morris wonders. "Rather than some kind of grand conspiracy that's being played out and orchestrated by one person, or a group of few people working in consort." Extrapolating to the chaos engulfing the world now, he adds, "I suppose when the history is written of our current era, and we ask questions about why our democracy fell apart, the feelings that I'm left with — maybe this shows my own inclinations — is that we're looking at the machinations of total incompetence thrashing around in reality."


Monday, February 10, 2025

"The radio has been telling me to do things!" - TLB and the MK/Ultra theory


You can laugh all you want to, but you can't deny that there is evidence that seems to support some kind of professional mind-control being done on Charlie and Family before TLB.

Firstly, you have to agree that the Family WAS very definitely under a form of mind-control practiced on them by Charles Manson.

Witnesses noticed the total control Charlie had over his followers:


coolopolis.blogspot.ca/2016/05/meeting-charles-manson-montrealer-on.html
Charles Manson would come in (to the Topanga Corral) with his band of women, his family, and sit down. When he would sit, they would all sit and when he would get up, so would they. You could see the control he had over these people.

www.cielodrive.com/archive/movie-lot-satan-portent-of-death/?fbclid=IwAR0Q5JkEXxzKN1uPlwPjLQuHODvFgdSXCIu2ov6Brut6UKSCPGtVuCF9qmI
"He was playing his guitar and singing to about a dozen starry-eyed, dirty-looking young girls with long, straggly hair who were squatting in a circle around him on the scrubby ground. ... The thing that got me was the way the girls just stared at him as if they were mesmerized, you know, in a hypnotic trance." ...

"They’d just sort of wander around the ranch aimlessly. To me, they appeared to be in a very sad state of life. And when they’d come toward you, they moved as if we were controlling them and had hypnotized them to come closer."

"Approaching one of the girls one day, Regina asked if she could help her. Instead of a direct reply, the “slave” girl said: ‘We love animals. We love any dog. We don’t have much to eat but we feed the dogs what we have.’ "


Cease to Exist – Charles Manson, the Beach Boys and the Death of the Sixtie
s by Christian Sellers
Stromberg was distracted by the way Mary, Lyn, Pat and Susan constantly watched Charlie, waiting for him to signal whatever it might be that he wanted them to do. ..

Manson's Right Hand Man Speaks Out by Charles "Tex" Watson c. 2012 pg20
I never heard Manson mention Scientology... I know he was into mind control and good at programming us with his beliefs.

www.laweekly.com/the-last-supper-mansonites-converge-at-el-coyote/
Family member Patricia Krenwinkel, in correspondence with researcher John Judge, swore she had been a victim of mind control.

youtube.com/watch?v=RALD3lxuOVw
LVH: "The whole thing was always geared toward just complete mirroring of him(Charlie).
Krenny: ".... With Charlie he actually did like drug programming. I mean he was the focal point at all times."

www.xenu-directory.net/news/library-item.php?iid=4037
Cult leader was Svengali
"Manson's 'rule' at the ranch, the cowboy(Juan Flynn) said, began slowly. "He got a lot of girls first, then began to bring in the men. He called the men Zombies, I guess because they couldn't, do what they wanted to do."

Box 46 vol 26 Grogan retrial Aug, 1971
pg417 Spahn visitor Dawn Quandt:
Q: After the Manson family arrived, did some change come over Clem? ..
A: A change of--he was in their power or their thoughts. ... he had a tendency to be programmed by them.

My Life With Charles Manson
by Paul Watkins, Chapter 23
Basically, Charlie’s trip was to program us all to submit: to give up our egos....

Death to Pigs by Robert Hendrickson, c.2011 pg277
Watkins: "He(Manson) always said, he said, "I'm gonna unprogram you and program you again," and that's what he did."

youtube.com/watch?v=HomPx76mAd8&lc=Ugy9oaX89l4WgGoOAAB4AaABAg
Kasabian's attorney: "She said that all the girls felt as if they were computers for this man (Manson)." (10:40mark)

Death to Pigs by Robert Hendrickson, pg244
Brooks: "Well, before when he put his motions in with it, all he had to do was start his motions and it's like, I would immediately turn on like a computer. Like, the button would be clicked and I'd become whatever machine or whatever tape was playing at the time."

The Mind Manipulators
by Alan W. Scheflin c.1978
pg39
Many of the Family members have concluded that they were indeed hypnotized....
pg471
At her re-trial, former Manson cult follower Leslie Van Houten argued that she was a programmed dupe whose mind had been softened by LSD and then shaped to commit horrible, violent crimes without remorse.

Box 16 Vol5020 pg75of166 Tex Watson
A: ... I was being run by Mr. Manson.
Q: So he put the thought in your mind, then, right?
A: That's the only thought I had.

December 1969 grand jury testimony of Susan Atkins, quoting Manson:

“I have tricked all of you. I have tricked you into doing what I want… I am using you and you are all aware of that now and it is like I have got a bunch of slaves around me.”


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But the big question is, was Charles Manson himself an involuntary victim of mind-control? Charlie made statements that pointed in that direction.


www.cielodrive.com/manson-case-files/BOX-24
Box 24 pg291of396
Marvin Part interview with Leslie Van Houton
VH: "And -- and he(Manson) used to -- he used to even say, umm, "I've become an empty hole." He'd say, "I can --" He says, "I have no control of what I'm saying." He just says, "I have no control of my actions. I don't even think about what I'm doing or saying."

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The Last Psychological Evaluation of Charles Manson
: Implications for Personality, Psychopathology, and Ideology
(from a series of psychological tests given to CM in 1997)

pg5
He was particularly imbued with the idea that some people can place their thoughts into the minds of others and control their behavior, and he felt he was a victim of this phenomenon, and ironically denied taking any part in the Tate-LaBianca murders. ... He was viewed as manipulative, crafty, and seductive, with a good grasp of human motivation.

pg16
Reality distortions(exhibited by Manson) include a variety of hallucinations and delusions, including odd and unrealistic beliefs like thought insertions, mind reading, and thought broadcasting.

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www.cielodrive.com/manson-case-files/BOX-12c.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1JiVFd36w3l8SGzfK7WLcfOAd-82FN4Sp_SzXPi0yc2DkqACaAO1Q4Rnc
Manson Case Files Box 12c pg29of746 newpaper article Feb 20, 1970
"Manson's personality, too, is changing, the jailmate claimed. "They take him to the medical dispensary twice a day now, and I don't know what they're doing to him, but everybody is noticing a change in him--he's depressed, different." "

www.cielodrive.com/manson-case-files/BOX-12c.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2g_rduAK5VC7woYupWxgyGmHsJlWGIxMUZ1ctxmPQMRPKXaQY84wUCgWc
Manson Case Files Box 12c pg38of746 newpaper article Feb 4, 1970
"Charles admits to being afraid of only one thing: "These doctors here. They take me down to them every day. That's how Ruby (Jack Ruby, the killer of presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald) died--from the doctors; they gave him a leukemia shot!" "

If he was 'treated' after his arrest, could he have been 'treated' before the murders?

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'Manson's mother talks of his early life' LATimes article by Dave Smith of 1-26-71
And it was during this time(1958), she says, that she began to feel he(Charlie) needed psychiatric treatment, though it was far beyond their means.

Note that at this time Charlie had just been released from a long stint in Federal Prison.

Even Charlie thought he was going nuts in 1955:

HS, pg195
(Manson arrested for stealing cars Oct '55) "Taken to federal court, he pleaded guilty to the theft..., and asked for psychiatric help, stating "I was released from Chillicothe in 1954 and, having been confined for nine years, I was badly in need of psychiatric treatment. I was mentally confused and stole a car as a means of mental release from the confused state of mind that I was in."
 
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More evidence of an altered state:


https://www.tiktok.com/@mindthroughaudio/video/7240909758822157611
Dennis Hopper after visiting Manson in the downtown LA jail: "He said that like you know, he was a big star, like his whole life.. he had been acting out a movie but there hadn't been any movie cameras there."

(Secret Service interview from 1994)
Manson did ask several times what was the current status of the O.J. Simpson case. Manson stated "What do you think of that O.J. thing-- is it a movie or what?"


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From researcher Paul Hart:

"Manson's cellmate Lanier Ramer said Manson was part of an LSD / behavior modification program at McNeil Island and Terminal Island just before his release. I have the interview with Lanier Ramer... never publicly released. Manson was subjected to LSD and sensory deprivation. He says Manson's personality was totally altered. He became messianic."

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www.facebook.com/groups/1883381595256076/posts/3796820603912156/?comment_id=3797376933856523&reply_comment_id=3798324783761738&notif_id=1738172460431330&notif_t=group_comment_mention
Me: (quoting Schreck) "...her(Angela Lansbury) role in The Manchurian Candidate."  Was it your impression that Charlie saw the movie?
Schreck: Yes, he definitely did and knew the plot well.

At the very least, we know that Charlie was fascinated with the topic of mind control

 
                                           Raymund Shaw?  Raymund Prentiss Shaw?

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Dianne Lake experiencing voice-into-brain technology? More MK/Ultra high strangeness from the Manson/TLB saga:

New York Times, Nov 11, 1970 Dianne Lake trial testimony
A key witness in the Tate-La Bianca murder trial admitted under cross-examination today that she hears voices... . When questioned.. as to what the voices said, she replied, “They say that this, is Charles Manson speaking” She said that it did, not sound like Manson's voice but that it: said it was him and would give her orders.   Miss Lake... said that she first began hearing voices while she was on an LSD trip nearly three years ago.
[So just about the time she joined the Family.]

Sadie too?

Reflexion by Lynette Fromme, pg339
In late 1968--   "One day her(Atkins') eyes grew large as she told me, "The radio has been telling me to do things!" "
 
 
oo-ee-oo!